I think the best way to get somewhere is to go your own way and pump everyone else
for whatever he is worth to you. If someone wants to pump you, give it to him. I
would call it independent cooperation.
As of Dave Hamel, the choice, if any, does not seem all that poor to me. After
all, he seems to have dedicated everything to it. May not be enough, but it is
everything.
Regards Slavek.
Nick Hall wrote:
> At 10:01 10/10/99 -0400, Russ wrote:
> >Hi Tom,
> >I was not trying to pass any judgement upon Hamel, I only wanted to hear
> what
> >other people thought about his claims.
>
> Hang in there Russ - you are on the right track!
>
> I find it helpful to remember that there is a very big difference between:
>
> A. A person`s experience and
> B. _Their account and explanation_ of that experience.
>
> In Hamel`s case there are 4 different groups of claim which need to be
> scrutinised:
>
> 1. That at a point in time he had an experience which caused him to espouse
> ideas on new kinds of technology
> 2. That that experience was that of being `contacted` by extra-terrestrials
> 3. That these ETs had chosen him to bring this new technology to the
> attention of the human race
> 4. That the technology so described actually works (or at least worked well
> enough to blow up!!)
>
> Number 1 is simply a point of history and his honesty - there came a point
> when he started to espouse new ideas in technology and he says it followed
> an extraordinary experience. I see no reason to doubt the veracity of this
> claim.
>
> Number 2 is his description of the experience - we have no independent way
> of verifying this claim (unless the same ETs show up and vouch for the story).
>
> Number 3 is a problem. We are being asked to believe that a vastly superior
> race of ETs, taking pity on our small and increasingly spoiled world, chose
> David Hamel - a retired carpenter with little financial resources - to be
> the interface with planet Earth. I`m really not trying to sound cynical
> here, but I would simply observe - this is a pretty silly thing for such an
> advanced race to do. Why pick a guy who has little resources to actually
> build the stuff they reveal, who is at the mercy of the `men in black` who
> want to suppress this information (Hamel claims this for some of his
> stuff), and who has not yet after several years succeeded in demonstrating
> anything that resembles a free-energy machine. Wierd plant growth and a
> load of sketches of `alien technology` are interesting but don`t prove
> anything. (I guess a careful analysis of the plants might show that they
> are `life but not as we know it...` but why has no-one taken a sample for
> DNA testing???)
>
> Number 4 is ultimately the one that matters.
>
> [Interesting side note on the human race here: if someone succeeds in
> producing a working self-destruct Hamel-oil-drum then to many this will
> `prove` numbers 1,2 and 3 as well (i.e. people who already believe in
> benign ETs and contact stories). Logically of course it proves only number
> 4 - the technology works. It says nothing about the ETs etc etc. ]
>
> But as Russ says, the big issue is that we should have a mechanism in
> future to prevent our resources being wasted and/or diverted by such exotic
> claims. I am increasingly astonished by the gullibility of people as shown
> by some of the Internet based scams. I`m NOT saying that Hamel is a scam.
>
> I think he is probably very sincere - but you can be sincerely wrong and we
> owe it to the free-energy enterprise to let nothing distract us from the
> real quest.
>
> Thanks
>
> Nick Hall
>
> "The wise man proportions his belief according to the evidence" - David Hume
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