Re: Electrical verses magnetic fields

Dino Arnulfo M. Baua ( (no email) )
Fri, 22 May 1998 14:55:52 +0800

Hi Robert!

First of all, If I sounded like I was trying to be "the all and end all" of electron theory, I apologize. Though I have never done any repairs on generators or any other dynamo for that matter, I based my answers on what I've been taught and my experience as far as circuit design is concerned. From your explanation of your side, you don't sound like you've been taught well on basic electricity. Sorry, it isn't my intention to sound too high and mighty.

A part of that electron theory are dynamos and their operation, and yes, I know that the stator is never in contact with the magnet, except in cases where there are brushes in ac dynamos. Anyway...

The electrons transfer from one atom to another in the coil, eventually into the atoms of the load, and then back into the atoms of the coil. Yes, a closed loop. The heat that is dissipated is from the kinetic energy that is transformed into heat energy when those electrons collide into each other. Photons are an emission that produce light, not heat. Just for the sake of explanation, electrons emit those photons when they release the energy that they accumulated moving from a lower energy level to a higher energy level and back. Also, calling electrons, charged electrons, is kind of funky... I mean, electrons are negative and don't change.

I see your bias against traditional schooling, but when I try to consider your contentions, it just doesn't jive with what has been taught to all scientists and engineers from ampere, volta, maxwell, and all those other people.

As far as I can tell, the only electronic devices you're familiar with are generators, conductors and maybe even transformers. My exposure to other electronic devices like semiconductors, vacuum tubes, and the like just doesn't explain how your contention could explain how a capacitor stores energy in an electric field, or how an inductor stores energy in a magnetic field. It also wouldn't explain how antennas can transmit and recieve electro-magnetic waves through their electric fields. They may be just generators, but the same laws apply to all electronic devices, be they gaseous, solid, liquid, vacuum or plasma.

I find Hexlinger's explanation far simpler than mine. Sorry... but I'd rather we agree that we disagree than go any furhter. Hey, I like that... hehehe... "born at night, but not last night..." HAHA!!

Dino- @}

At 07:23 PM 5/19/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hello Dino! I must reply...the devil is in me now. To start with you try to
>correct my
>thoughts, I believe thinking that you think I have never been schooled in
>electrical theory? Boy are you wrong... To start with if I didnt know
>anything about electrical
>theory why would I try a different approach? I know about all these things
>that you
>say, but being a certified electrician and technician on generators for
>years, I get
>a gut feeling for whats going on. You engineer's have been schooled
>thinking you
>got it all figuired out by "WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TAUGHT". Question #1.. have
>you ever been involved in hands on repair on a generator? If you have, you
>should
>know that a magnet turning in a stator has no contact with the stator. You
>say that
>the electrons are brought back to the coil. Now correct me if im wrong, but
>electrical
>theory says the electrons dissapate heat in the load emitting photons in
>all
>directions. So your saying we have a closed loop so to speak. So.. if we
>do, the
>charged electrons must push the negative electrons back to the area of the
>stator.
>I just have trouble with that Dino. And please... a battery is not a
>electron pump.
>Now maybe I did not explain it right about atoms running around looking for
>electrons. What I meant is if electrons are leaving the atoms orbit and
>moving on to
>carry a charge to a load, plus they are losing their charge in the load,
>What drives
>them back to the stator? If you think about this and work with this hands
>on.. you'll
>see things from a different perspective. I think on of the most important
>things I have read is what Alex Graham Bell said. Get off the same path
>every now and then and go through the woods. Dina, I dont mean to be rude,
>I really dont. And if I have.. I apoligize. I appreciate your comments and
>hope to get them again. But remember..
>I was born at night.. but not last night. Regards, Robert H. Calloway

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