Thoughts

Well the plans have arrived. After reviewing them, it is plain to see that it is nothing more than a pulse motor, with the back emf going back to the battery. The plans are missing some details, and there is not one ounce of data to back up any claims. The plans is also missing a circuit diagram, and no reference to his "control box". As far as the pancake coil is concerned, he doesn't state if the it is supposed to be there in normal mode, or just something to experiment with, and doesn't not provide details in hooking it up.

Other pages show pulsing a isolation transformer, and claiming to get out 12 volts at 2 amps "Free Energy". I have made many experiments my self here, and there is the back emf that can be recovered certainly, but you cant send the output back to the battery to keep the batteries charged and still take an output equal to the input.

My thought and first indication is that this is very fraudulent - especially given the fact that the plans cost $170.00. His site says 25 times more energy can be extracted from the generator coil- and I certainly don't see it, not even a COP of 1.

DO NOT WASTE YOUR MONEY!! I would suggest a class action suit against them and have them shut down. I don't' have a problem with them selling this stuff. What I do have a problem with is telling people its OU, charging a huge amount of money for non-working and incomplete plans, and no supporting documentation - and the misconception that you can use it to power your house etc. when in fact you can not. Secondly, advertising the unit with a photo, and the plans to do not match the photo. Your buying what you see in the photo - supposedly.

The plans are not complete, and is a poor design from anyone claiming to be an "engineer". Secondly, it IS NOT patent pending as it is nothing more than a common DC motor with a home made commutator. The coil is made from a 2 amp radio shack transformer with the wires removed and the sides cut out . You use this core for the electro magnet. (You can use a big bolt for all it matters) With 100 turns of 18 ga wire wrapped around it as suggested in the plans, and using a 12 volt battery hooked up to an amp meter - the coil draws almost "30 DC AMPS!!!!" It will be less when pulsed of course. The armature is just a 5/16" steel rod with 2 radio shack rectangular magnets "glued" to the shaft, which turns over the coil. It uses a homemade commutator attached to the same shaft at one end for timing - made with a piece of copper pipe. There is no doubt that it is a DC motor. Did he invent it - Not hardly. Is it a special Vortex - again NOT HARDLY!

Is it overunity? NOT EVEN CLOSE!! Can you collect the back emf? Yes . Is the back emf 25 times the input - NO WAY! This person doesn't appear to have an understanding of what over unity is. There is not one piece of supporting documentation or evidence of what the output is versus input .

If you have to guess what components your supposed to use in this device, or try this or try that, then wouldn't you agree that you DO NOT have a plan.

HIS RESPONSE:

WE have not stated anything that was wrong. Infact if you will do the experiment that is on the first pages of the 785p Vortex Generator plans you will find that you get about 25 times more energy output, this is why we stated this on the web. we know it works, therefore how can we give you a refund. have you read the entire papers that we gave you? I do not think you realize what we sent you, or you would not be complaining at all. We have a customer Dr. -Ing Werner Hirsch down in Austria who has tried it and he loves it, and many others.

I understand you want to stay with the same thinking as your electronic books have taught you, but you must be open and go beyond that, the books are wrong in many things and must be and should be and someday will be rewritten, ask Joe Newman. We have large researcher companies that have purchased these plans also.

I'll tell you what I will do, If you want I can give you a discount as credit toward other plans, videos or kits.
you can have a $100 credit. Now I think that is very fair, all you need to do is send us back the plans in good shape.

I hope we do not loose you as a customer, we have many exciting things coming up that we maybe selling on our web in the future, if we dare to>>>>>>
NOt only New discoveries from us but also from other Free Energy researchers from all over the world!

Thank You
Rick Harrison

Creative Science & Research
PO BOX 557

New Albany, IN. 47151

AND MY RESPONSE:

From: Don Adsitt

To: Rick Harrison

Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 3:33 PM

Subject: Re: Creative Science & Research

Rick,

Again, I repeat that you GUARANTEE -

What you Show - A photo of a common DC motor.

What you sell - BACK EMF RECOVERY:

What is NOT TRUE: 25 times more ouput!

I have done this and MANY, MANY other such experiments. IF you compute your watts input to the watts OUTPUT - there is NOT 25 times the input!! ....OR if you measure it on a occilloscope or caloriemeter IT IS NOT what you claim.

YOUR PLANS are for a vortex DC motor in which the coil produces 25 times more energy. IT DOES NOT- Therefore Please refund $170.00 to donaldad@earthlink.net to my paypal account.

This matter can be resolved immediately before going to consumer protection, the State Attorney Generals Office, and legal action via individual or class action law suit.

HIS RESPONSE:

Dear Don

I have working bench models and I can prove to to any court in the USA that my Vortex does work! I am going to contact Paypal.com and tell them the same, I am will be willing to demonstrate it personally to them.

Thanks

MY RESPONSE:

Rick,

If this is the case, then can you create a video of the unit runing, with an ampmeter and volt meter on the input, and and amp meter and volt meter on the output and post it on your site? OR you should be able to take the output and run a second identical motor with it.

I'm not doubting that it is a motor at all, as it is a common DC motor, and yes it runs as a motor! The reason for buying your plans is not for the fact that it is a motor, but because you state that 25 times more power is coming out! This is not true, and for that reason, and that reason alone, am I requesting a refund!

HONOR YOUR GUARANTEE!

Don

HIS REPLY:

WE are not trying to make you mad Don but you do not know what you are saying, Build an offshoot of the Joe Newman device make some improvements, try and go get a US Patent, then try and sell it to all the oil companies you can and watch the Fun in your life begin, You say you want me to put it on my web, That is a joke, No Don I am not trying to hide anything, I gave you a ladder use it! Forget some of what you have been taught, you know nothing of the Vortex energy or Radiant Energy. I can only back myself up in a court of law, which I have no problem doing, The court ( The Feds ) will see to it that it is not publisized as they have always done in the past. No Don you do not know what you are talking about, But I do, I have researched what I know! Electrons do not move alone in a copper wire or conductor the way that you may have learned.
If I have nothing on the Vortex as you say, why has the Feds came to my front door 2 times given out threats to me. Why have I been warned not sell manufacture the vortex! Why has my house and lab been broken into dozen of times and one time they even left a threatening note. Give me a break, This is for real it is not a game. Someday I am going to write a book about it all.

But to satisfy you, (which is far more than I should do,) I will give you a $170 credit, You can pick out other plans or videos. and you might as well keep the vortex plans, it does not look like you understand it at all. they are no good to you it seems, or please give them to someone who has an open mind and will research it, give them the ladder I gave you.

Thanks Rick

MY RESPONSE AGAIN:

Rick,

Lets not continue this. I have been in FREE ENERGY for years. I have a lab. I have built 100's of devices, anything that is replicatable and is said to produce OU. I do not agree with all text book explanations at all, especially where magnetics is concerned. I believe in Zero Point, or getting energy from the Aether, Things from Newman, Tom Beardin, Bedini, Searl, Floyd Sweet and others.

That is why I have my website - http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com where I post research - I'm sure you have been there. I ALSO sell pulse motor kits with Back emf recovery which is far cheaper and very well designed for experimeters who would like to understand back emf and its recovery. This is not new by any means, and there is nothing novel about it. However, the watts out, never exceeds the watts in. Newmans motor is perhaps the only one I know of that can go OU. This is because of the high voltage potential and inductance of resonance with the back emf. Your motor is not a newman motor. The Photo shown and the plans conflict - but in any case it's just a DC motor with back emf recovery - just like the ones I sell in my experimeter store. http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/forsale/store/contents.htm and choose pulse motor kits.

I have photos (good quality detail) as well as videos. I treat them right - and would give anyone there money back who requested it "FOR ANY REASON" I also don't make a claim as to more power out then in. This is where I have a problem.

I have buit large units, like the Muller Generator - again, good photos and explanations and engineering like at this link - http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/research/replicate/replicate.htm So I am not inexperienced.

Rick - let me say one more thing. If your motor could produce even one more usable watt over the input, I would be the first to stand up and support you in any way I could. Also, you could claim any of the money offered by Eric Kreig or others for an OU device.

YOUR GUARANTEE is for money back, not a credit. Please refund it to donaldad@earthlink.net in paypal.

Don

The last one here: HE WILL NOT HONOR HIS MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!

I am sorry you feel that way, but I believe 100% in what we sell to work and I am not afraid to show Paypal.com or any US Judge, I am glad to see you also are a Free Energy researcher as myself, I am sorry you can not see how to use and build my device. Vortex Energy works together with Radiant Energy, I do not like to call Radiant Energy Aether energy, it is wrong to call it that. I believe in what I found, I am just sorry you can not see it. Do what you must do. But I have many Free Energy friends from all over the country and many will back me up. talk to Alex P. if you really are a free energy researcher you will know who I am talking about. I have no more time to write you or read your problems I am sorry we could not come to an understanding. I hope someday we can be free energy friends. WE need to work together toward the same common goal.

Thanks Rick Harrison

ON July 30, I filed a formal complaint with the Attorney Generals Office of Indiana.

After Several more e-mails requesting a refund - FINALLY-: a refund sort of!

Don
I believe Radiant energy and Vortex Energy work hand in hand! I am sorry you can not see what I have seen in my experiments and tests!    The DC Vortex Motor, The Ed gray Engine, The Joe Newman Motor, T. Henry Morray, and Teslas Free Energy devices are all related, They use Radiant Energy and Vortex Energy which you do not know much about.   I have given you a ladder. A test device in which you can build a DC Motor and test The Vortex and Radiant energies.   Yes I am a little concerned about saying much at all about these 2 energies. Because of the Oil Companies etc...   But if you know anything about any of this stuff you could have a DC Motor Free Energy device up and running in one week. I do not want to take the chance. The Vortex Motor Plans are very good and I believe in them 100%, They are a good source of info.

This is what I am going to do and I think it is very fair since you have my plans already and have seen the info.   I have lowered my price on the Vortex about 12 - 14 days ago, to $49.95, So I am refunding you the difference - Shipping.

     $170
-     49.95
-      10.95
----------------
    $109.10   Total refund      I will go to Paypal now and do this.

My last response here:

Rick,

Thank you. I will remove the web pages on my site about you not honoring your guarantee.

Rick, Let me say that I would be the first to support you if you actually had anything OU. Regardless of what you believe, You need to provide basic proof. If you take the volts X amps at the input and show your watts (minus the duty cycle) and post the same at the output, I would not question it, and would VALIDATE it graciously. Since I have asked for this information before, either you do not know how to do it, or you wont because it is not OU.

Thank you for the refund.

Don

THE LAST MESSAGE: PERHAPS we did some good:

Please Notice!
Rick Harrison no longer works here and we are going to try our best to provide better service to our customers, , You will also notice we have 2 differant web sites, Creative Science has been under much pressure not to sell Overunity Free Energy Devices, It is very hard to explain what is going on and I can not mention any names. But we are testing (you know who?) to see what we can sell and what we can not sell, and how much info we can give out on overunity devices.
on our Fuelless.com web site you will notice we are only selling High Efficiency free energy devices that run at 100%. Many changes maybe taking place I do not know yet. Which ever web site does the best we will know to use that one from know on! www.fuelless.com -VS- www.fuellesspower.com
Rick harrison has retired and is sick of the whole mess! He has gone fishing and is moving on, he will no longer be doing Research on Free Energy! I will try my best to get what ever info out to our customers that will be helpful. The company is under a full reconstrucion JOB! WE have free energy overunity knowledge but the question is, can we sell it, and how much info can we put out? We are working on this problem know! We may have to change our www.fuellesspower.com web site? Hurry and get what you can before it is gone!

Thank You
David Waggoner
Owner / Research Engineer

Do you agree that these things should be sold as experimenter plans - "Learn about" or something along those lines?

Leave me a comment on the home page if you like.