Text: Spirit and Consciousness Q: In this third density we are in, we have definitions. B: Yes. Q: And I just want to clarify... I'm sure I know the answer, as you say we always know the answer... B: Oh, yes. Every reality has definitions, that is why one reality seems to be different from another. Q: Right. So in regarding the idea of spirit... B: Yes. Q: ... is spirit, like a definition for the third density, or does that idea of spirit exist in your density? Or is it just after it comes to a low frequency that we get the idea of "spirit"? B: I understand what you mean, but the idea of spirit does exist on every single level -- it is just not expressed in the same way on every single level. Now on your level it has been experienced, as somehow something distinctly separate from the physical, but it isn't. The physical is made of spiritual material, shall we say. Everything is made of the primal medium of existence. Spirit, in a sense what can be referred to as pure spirit, is actually the fabric of existence itself. And it can consolidate and congeal or crystallize itself in any number of ways, depending upon the definition of the dimension in which it is expressing itself. So spirit permeates the entirety of creation, but the way you experience it in your level is different from the way we experience it in ours. But it is the same material, basically speaking. Q: So when you say, "consciousness experiencing itself," would that be spirit experiencing itself? B: In a sense, yes. Spirit and consciousness can to some degree be interchangeable terms, although let us say for the purposes of clarity in your definitional terms that spirit to some degree can be considered the medium that gives rise to all available dimensional realities. And consciousness is the ability of spirit to be aware of itself. Consciousness is the reflective, shall we say, ability of spirit. Does that make sense? Q: Well, I'll have to listen to tape I think. Yes, it makes sense, but I just want to think about is some more. B: Let me put it this way: let us suppose for a moment that spirit is glass. All right? Q: Yes. B: Glass. Consciousness is the ability of the glass to reflect. Understand? Q: Yes, I do. B: That is the difference between the two. Spirit is the substance. Consciousness is one of the properties of the substance. Understand? Q: Yes. B: And to some degree, it can actually be said in reverse as well. Consciousness can also be called the substance and spirit can also be called one of the reflections of consciousness' self-awareness -- one of the expressions of self-awareness. You see, when you arrive at that level of definition, every idea supports every other idea. They are all completely interchangeable. One does not exist without the other and both give rise to each other. There is no idea of which came first. They are both there as one event, and in your reality are experienced as polarities so that you have the ability to say, "Well, one of these must have happened first." On our level, and on the idea of the upper levels, that notion doesn't really exist, per se. All things that you call polarities or linear manifestations are seen to be aspects of ONE event that is going on at the same time. And so any aspect that is called out of that event simply supports the existence of all the other aspects, equally. Without one you wouldn't have any of them. With one, you have all of them, automatically. Understand? Q: Sort of... yes. B: All right. "Sort of" may have to do. Q: Yes, sort of, almost... for now. (AUD: laughter) B: There may not necessarily be language in your particular dimension that will explain this in a way that makes linear sense. Q: All right. So you don't have religion on your planet in the way we do? B: No. Q: So the way spirit is defined through our religion is not the same way that you experience spirituality then? B: In many cases that is correct, although we perceive that there are some shall we say, religions, upon your planet that do in your terminology "match" our basic definitions. Q: Of spirituality? B: Some of the ideas that you may refer to as your Native American cultures and some of the ideas of what you may refer to as your very ancient, shall we say, Asian cultures. The ideas of your Tao, your Zen and your Native American understandings are much more similar to our point of view of what creation is than the ideas of, shall we say, the organizational religious points of view. Those that simply express a personal relationship to existence itself is more aligned with our point of view. Rather than the idea of creating a dogmatic representation or ritualization of that relationship. Q: Good. And the other part to my question is: very often when you're talking to people and they're explaining their relationship with somebody... B: Yes. Q: ... you will say, "Well, you know that you are just talking to yourself anyway." B: In a sense. Q: Well, that's the sense I would like you to clarify a little. I mean, is there another person out there? Or are we... B: Always again, yes and no. It is always both. It always must be both, because both concepts are real realities. There are individuals... in other words All That Is, the one infinite is on one level composed of many, many, many -- an infinite number -- of individualized representations of consciousness. At the same time they are all made out of the same ONE thing: The ONE infinite creation. So it is both. Q: So being more in bodies, we are... B: Expressing yourselves as bodies. Q: Whereas a person... when I'm talking to another person, they're kind of in a body and so they are there at that point. I mean unless... B: Whatever is perceived to be real in that reality, is real. That's your definition of that reality. All we are saying is that relative to any other level of reality, it's all arbitrary, it's all relative. Your reality as you define it is just as real as any other reality. The idea that everything is one and that you are talking to yourself is just as valid a way to look at it as the idea that you are talking to a distinctly discreet someone else. Because those are simply the definitions that define the reality you are having the experience in. And both are real. Q: Very good. B: Does that help? Q: Yes, it does. B: Well, thank you very much. Q: Thank you very much.

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