Text: Belief Systems and Integration Q: In Scientology there's a concept called body thetan, wherein the idea of separate entities do theoretically inhabit a body, along with the being that's supposedly running the body. And this idea involves a phenomenon, which I'm not intimately familiar with, but which I understand from a friend. He has experienced what he believes is the leaving of one of these beings, and he told me a story about one time when one of these beings supposedly left his body. And the fellow that he was standing right next to perceived this phenomenon in such a way that he had a personal experience, some kind of a sensation experience. B: Yes. So? Q: Could you tell me what it is that they were actually experiencing? B: The sharing of their particular reality, of their belief systems. And thus the reflection of that in their physical reality. Q: I see. B: Is it not simple? This is how everything is done in physical reality. There are isolated miniature mass consciousnesses within the overall mass consciousness. You have your own beliefs system within the one belief system. Q: Right, of course. Well, I understand that... I was just curious as to what the phenomenon was that they were experiencing. B: The experience of their belief systems. It is their version of forming an integration in that belief system. You follow me? Translated into their symbology, into their archetypal symbology. Q: What were they integrating? B: Their own personalities, of course. Q: It's interesting, because in their concept they are getting rid of quote/unquote, something. B: You cannot get rid of anything. Q: I know that! I'm referring to their belief. B: Yes. Q: Give me a break. I'm aware of this, and you knowŠ B: May I ask you question? Q: No, not yet. B: All right. Why did you take what we said personally? Q: Because you know how I feel about this. You know what my understanding of this isŠ B: Why did you feel what we said was an accusation that you did not? Q: Because that's the way it came across. B: That is the way you interpreted it. All we said was a simple line, a statement. Q: What was your statement? B: The statement of the idea that we expressed to you. Q: Okay. Well, regardless of the case, I know what the reality is. The question is... now I forgot my question. They feel like they're getting rid of something. B: Yes. Q: I know that they're not. So what is the phenomenon when you say that they're integrating something? It seems contradictory that they're integrating something when they believe that they're getting rid of something. B: (B does not answer) Q: (Pause) Could you explain it? B: You do not want me to. Q: Yes, I do. B: You just told me you did not. Q: No, I did not. B: Yes you did. Q: Okay, I retract that. B: Thank you. Understand that you told me you understood. Therefore, what have we to explain to you? Q: What I told you, that what I understood was that you don't get rid of anything. B: All right. Then that is the right answer. Q: But they feel that they are. B: So what? What does that have to do with your understanding? Q: I was trying to reconcile the idea of integrating somethingŠ B: Yes. Q: Š within the concept... within the context of their belief... B: Yes. Q: Š of getting rid of something. B: Yes. And we already gave you the answer. Q: Okay. It doesn't answer the question for me. B: One moment. Thank you. One more time: integrating can still take place even if you are giving the integration sometimes a separationist symbol, such as, quote/unquote, getting rid of something. Q: Okay. B: It still can represent that you know you are integrating a portion of yourself within you, but you are using a terminology and a belief system that says you're actually getting rid of something to do it. Q: Okay. Now, why didn't you say that the first time? B: Because we already gave you that answer, and you said you understood. Q: You did not give me that answer. B: Did we give him that answer? AUD: Yes. Don't fight. Q: Oh, come on. B: Did we not say it was their symbology? Their symbology, their belief system. Their interpretation of the integration. Q: Yes. B: Then... that is all we just repeated to you. It is an integration because they have made an integration, but called it by another name. Their belief system calls it a separation. Q: Okay. Well the elaboration you just gave me resulted in a good degree of understanding. B: Yes. Q: The first version did not. B: Yes? Q: So... soŠ B: So whyŠ? Q: Then why would you expect me to understand something if I needed the... or felt that I needed the elaboration to feel like I understood it? B: Thank you. Allow me to elaborate. Q: Thank you. B: Recognize that when we gave you the line that caused you to feel we were accusing you of not understanding, it was at that point a timing prod for you to recognize that you came back to me and said, "I do understand," and then in the very next sentence went on to explore the idea of not understanding. It was an opportunity for you to see how you also were choosing one type of labeling for another type of experience. Q: Okay. Well indeed I was separating the concepts that I claim to understand, in that I was understanding one concept and not understanding another concept. B: It is all the same concept. This is what we are saying. You are making the polarization. When we said you do not get rid of anything, you chose to take it as an accusation that you did not know this. Q: Yes l did. B: Which allows you to realize that in choosing to interpret that as an accusation, you are now exploring the idea of not understanding -- which is knowingness. Q: Okay. So what's your point? B: Simply that. Your reaction enables you to understand that you were also creating the same kind of polarity that you were asking me to elaborate on, that you said you did not understand. Q: Okay. B: The polarity within that individual has now been experienced by you. So now you have an emotional understanding. Q: Ah! Interesting. B: You follow me? Q: Yes, I do. B: Thank you for playing along. Q: Thank you for playing along, in that, you know sometimes these elaborations really work. B: Yes. Now, allow me to remind you, you asked us to assist you in an emotional understanding of all these situations that you are discussing with us. But we prodded you so you could have an emotional experience of the idea that those individuals were discussing. That feeling of something leaving the self, and wanting to understand what was going on. Q: Yes, indeed. B: Thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Q: No. Thank you. B: You are welcome.

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