Peter Ammon wrote:
>
> >Hi Peter et al!
> >
> >This is getting good and I thank you for being a devils
> >advocate!!!
> >'Science advances one death at a time'
> >
> >...meaning of course that the naysayers who inhibit, coverup
> >or ignore new thought and experimentation, YET ARE IN POWER,
> >in academia and corporations,
> >
> >must often die off to let the fresh young minds discover and
> >apply new truths...can't risk anything new that will unlearn
> >much of currently accepted facts...
> >
> >the guardians of the orthodox are unfortunately locked into
> >and thus vested to protect and MAINTAIN the current
> >paradigms which are tied in provide them with money and
> >power....
> >
> >in our case (maverick researchers and experimenters) we have
> >no power and certainly no money, so we have EVERYTHING to
> >gain by catalyzing such changes...
>
> It pains me that you take such a dim view of academics. In my experience,
> the "guardians of the orthodox," which I interpret to mean those most
> knowledgeable in mainstream theories, tend to be very bright people who are
> scientists because of their interest in science. While they obviously have
> a large investment in the current theories, I doubt that many would
> knowingly advocate a theory that is false, or that they even suspect to be
> false.
I have experienced it firsthand on several occasions and I'm
sure there are MANY GOOD ACADEMICS, heck I know a few of
them too.
I didn't originate the quote about science advancing death
by death....but sometimes when it has become a religion,
thats the only way it will change - unless we get off our
cans and FORCE the issue with a real discovery and
demonstration that anyone can do...though I suspect it will
rapidly be 'taken over' by the academics or
corporations...but by then, the basic proof of principle
will be everywhere and no way it can be controlled.
>
> --snip examples of independent researchers--
>
> Well, you certaintly came up with a lot! I guess it is obvious that many
> important discoveries have been made without the sponsorship of academic,
> industrial, or governmental institutions.
>
> What still worries me most, though, is that many of the posters on keelynet
> don't seem to have a grasp of basic physics. I don't mean to pick on
> anyone, but the most recent update,
> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/tomi2.htm ,
> claims that perpetual motion can
> be achieved by placing a magnetic wheel between two oppositely aligned
> concentric circular bar magnets. This is, frankly, silly, since the net
> effect of the magnets next to one another is simply to sum up to one big
> magnet, and there is no perpetual effect.
Now, that is not fair. He said 'it is believed' based on
his own experiment with the device. Have you built a TOMI?
I have as have many others, it works AS CLAIMED, the roller
magnet MOVES UP THE RAMP by simply placing it at the
entrance and it drops off the edge, then rolls up the next
ramp ON ITS OWN and drops off.
If there were multiple ramps, the 'theory of magnetic
instability' TOMI would continue to roll up and fall off, to
reload itself each time, like dominoes falling...spend the
$20 to build a dual ramp, you'll be pleasantly surprised.
About the misnomer 'perpetual'....is that term really
something a human can comprehend? I wish it wasn't even in
the language.
Do you KNOW why the planets orbit the sun?
Do you KNOW why electrons orbit or for that matter what
causes all matter to VIBRATE?
Is it beyond your scope to imagine that any human could EVER
figure out HOW TO TAP INTO THOSE FORCES and USE them?
> Are there examples in science where someone has overturned the existing
> theories without at least a basic understanding of those theories?
Neither you, I or anyone BUT the DISCOVERER could KNOW that
because only they would know how much advice or instruction
they had received. I have read it time and again that, I
did it because I didn't KNOW IT COULDN'T BE DONE!
> >Predictions are wonderful but as long as academics and
> >engineers set themselves up as a church or special group
> >promoting themselves as the ONLY ones with the knowledge and
> >funding to develop anything worthwhile,
> >
> >we will STAY living and working in two dimensions, grounded
> >with automobiles, riding bottle rockets to get into space,
> >chained to pipelines for water, gas and electricity...and
> >dying from cytotoxins, radiation and drugs with serious side
> >effects.
>
> I suspect that you will find the laws of physics to be a much stronger
> adversary than mainstream academia. Nothing would make me happier than for
> you to disprove me, though; if you can truly demonstrate taking energy from
> the "aether," then more power to you (rimshot).
Good, EXCELLENT...keep thinking like that....laws change and
most of the people here expect and look forward to the new
'laws' of physics....
We never flew before because we didn't have wings, but the
Wrights and others watched birds and KNEW that the 'law' was
in error....etc...they were considered crazy and half-backed
by their 'peers' too. But you can believe their 'peers'
jumped all over it once they realized there was money to be
made.
> >
> >My view of the future which some of us are actively working
> >to make a reality is;
> >
> >http://www.keelynet.com/unclass/society.htm
>
> It's a lofty and laudable goal. Best of luck to you.
> >I have no axe to grind against academics and engineers per
> >se, it is the ATTITUDE of SOME...
> >
> >Over the years, there have been opportunities to share
> >information with many young people who now write me from
> >college, university and their now professional lives,
> >
> >saying their views were altered by exposure to subjects they
> >would NEVER have seen or heard of in formal training....
> >
> >and so they NOW bring these ideas into their work
> >environment as well as continue to experiment and learn on
> >their own, sharing as they go and seeking to do what they
> >can in their own way...
> >
> >so the more of these websites with such information that
> >spring up, the better because many on on the net are young
> >people not locked into orthodoxy and they are the ones who
> >will make it happen....of course we expect to beat them to
> >it...<g>...
>
> It's very possible to tip too far the other way, though; I wonder if it's
> not a greater risk.
There is always the safety and comfort of your 'laws' to
lean on, but now you know, there is a growing cadre of
physics LAWBREAKERS...ready and working to correct and add
to 'mainstream' science, to expand it to the next level.
> >
> >then they will become the 'new' academics and engineers
> >conversant with and expanding on the 'new' rules of
> >physics...
> >
> >what we now see as exciting new discoveries to be made with
> >aether/zpe will one day be ubiquitous and taught in junior
> >high school science classes....having been there
> >'always'...
>
> Who can say what the next big discovery will be? That's tantamount to
> predicting the future. You claim that it will be aether/ZPE, many
> mainstream scientists think that it might be string theory, and I don't
> feel qualified enough to hold an opinion myself. All I know is that it's
> going to be exciting.
Never said we'd be NEXT, but to my view, aether tapping and
all its resultant phenomena is as inevitable as night
follows day.
Some of us are working to make it so in our lifetimes, even
though it requires our own meager resources...while many of
you guys get grants, labs and support to allow you to do it
fulltime, yet you get 'stuck' in 'laws', completely
oblivious and disparaging of what you can't yet measure,
even the ideas....puzzling...while we discuss and correlate
and some of us do simple table top experiments to at least
TRY to discover the secrets.
I know, get a PhD and join the herd...I'll pass...don't like
what I've experienced and peer pressure as well as threat of
cancelling funding if I DARED to investigate anything not
approved as orthodox...don't upset the applecart, the worms
might get out...<g>...
Such a simple experiment the TOMI is...cheap, simple to
construct, full details of the first TOMI by the inventor
are at;
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/tomibild.htm
build it and you'll see...one of several things that just
don't 'fit' 'laws'...
>
> -Peter
>
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