Thanks for taking the time to respond. Please believe me, no-one would be
more excited if this were genuine than I, but I have heard so many stories
and rumours that I don`t want the free-energy enterprise to falter because
of yet more scams or hoaxes.
OK?
Thanks! :)
Now to some of the things you write:
At 10:29 08/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Correct. The gent who saw the thing run is also a computer techie and acts
>as a general business partner for the guy. They're involved in real estate
>deals together, etc.
OK, so they are capable of seeing and acting on business opportunities.
He is also likely to have surfed the net for similar ideas and very
probably read this forum.
>OK...but, as business partners I would think that the inventor could discuss
>his efforts with his partner?
Sure, and this wouldn`t necessarily violate a subsequent patent, even
without an explicit written agreement.
>And I've left out several key details, believe me. I wish to hell I could
>tell all and we could get "massed minds" working on it, that's how I
>normally operate.
I know what you mean, but an obvious question here:
If he has a working model, he doesn`t need `massed minds` working on a
problem - there is no problem to be solved other than getting the right
environment for a patent application and subsequent public disclosure.
This would take maybe 3 man-days given some help.
>He *can* indeed write - in 7-meter verse, ONLY, for anything sizable. He
>actually published quite a bit that way - you wouldn't think a motorcycle
>magazine would be a venue for poetry of any sort but "Easyriders" mag bought
>a couple of pieces back in the '70s.
OK, I take the point - the guy is indeed creative. (Actually I never meant
to imply he wasn`t but I apologise if my comments seemed to move in that
direction).
>If any type of mind is correct for solving overunity problems it's one o'
>these dudes <grin!>.
I`m sure you are right!
I originally asked:
>>Jim, why bother (literally) trying to re-invent the wheel`?????
>Right, sounds good. I should tell you though that he got ripped off for a
>whole lotta money years ago on a patent attempt by what sounds like it might
>be one of those "we help you with your invention" type shysters. Like I
>said, he ain't real down-to-earth and now on top of that he's gunshy
>bordering on paranoid.
Take the point, but heck, we can find two or three people whose integrity
matters more than `stealing this invention`. We send in 3 or 4 people with
two video cameras (we keep a copy and he keeps a copy) and video the whole
proceedings. At the end of the session the
people-with-a-lot-to-lose-if-they-steal-the-idea say to camera that they
believe it is genuine (having done some tests).
We don`t have to video the actual machine`s `secret` - just the fact that a
group of investigators have tested it and found it genuine.
Man, we could frame this thing any way he would be comfortable with and get
the job done pretty quickly.
>Right...except...it SEEMS so drop-dead-simple a design!
They always do!!!!!!!!!
Remember - you didn`t _see_ the thing run. You were just told sufficient
(you think) to make one.
There have been (and are right now) a lot of people who `just need a bit
more time` to get it spinning etc etc
>That's why I'm
>tempted to roll one myself. For starters, I'm 400ish miles away from him,
Distance will be no object if this is genuine.
I lived in LA for 5 months and now live in Manchester, England. I could
finance a return trip from here to the Mojave for maybe 750 USD - cheap if
it is genuine, so people who live in California would do it no problem.
>second I think it'll be fairly difficult to get him to "focus" long enough
>to do yet another proto.
This is still the big question - if he has a working model NOW, why does he
need to `focus` to make another?????
>If I can convince him that the people involved aren't thieves then sure.
>I've got his snailmail addy and phone number.
OK - let`s starting throwing some chips in here. I am an Anglican clergyman
and I would never act in a way that brings disrepute to my ministry. (I`m
not asking anyone to agree with or `condone` my religious beliefs nor do I
imply I`m more `moral` than anyone etc etc etc, I just mean to say that
this gives me `something to lose`, that`s all)
Here is my church:
I`m a non-stipendiary minister - i.e. the Church doesn`t pay me. I run an
Internet and Multimedia publishing company (Integrity Media Limited) and
have had a lot of experience with video production.
I`m also enough of a physicist to spot a fraud and to take measurements to
prove (or disprove) that such a model is genuine or a failure).
Jerry - if we get some expenses together, are you game to go and see this
guy??
I mention Jerry because he would have a _LOT_ to lose in the free-energy
scene if he tried to `steal` the idea....
I`m sure we could find a couple of others who would attempt such a trip -
if we thought there was a
chance it is genuine.
>All of it. He's using an aluminum disk an inch thick for the main rotating
>bit, on a top-quality roller bearing. Aluminum welded supports are holding
>the magnets weighing about 2lbs each. He welded and bolted up the whole
>thing himself.
OK so you have seen the mechanism, but not seen it turning??
If not why not, because presumably if it is so simple then the guy wouldn`t
be giving away any more by showing you it working......
>See, that's what you gotta realize here, this guy ain't a lab tinkerer. His
>main thing is a totally complete auto shop capable of welding huge bits of
>cars and trucks together, he's not into "small desktop toys". If it don't
>involve a 7,000watt generator, arc welder and cherry picker engine hoist
>he's not interested!
I like the sound of this guy. He reminds me of someone locally who is
constructing a free-energy machine in a disused chemical works and the
prototype is 20 feet high!!!
>> - What was the relationshiop of the third party you spoke with and
>>this old man?
>Business partner and long-time friend.
Jim, I have to ask this:
If for a moment we assume the thing is some kind of wierd scam or hoax,
could you see ways in which they could benefit financially from generating
`interest` in such a story?? (Lots of people visiting them, getting gas,
getting their cars serviced etc etc).
For example, two older retired guys over here generated a lot of media
interest in crop circles which in fact they made using bits of wire and
wood. They didn`t benefit financially but did get a buzz from the coverage.
People do stuff like this for a kick - if you haven`t actually seen it
working, what convinces you this is genuine, not some peculiar `trip` on
their part???
>> - How big is the community in which he lives (rough order of
>magnitude)?
>One gas station, no traffic lights.
>
>Jim March
Hmmm....I`ll wait for your replies to the above and see where it gets us.
BTW, I came across the `Mojave Phone booth` web site today - what a blast!
Nothing to do with free energy but it shows you the power of the net to
share the peculiar fascinations of human beings.
Check it out:
http://www.cardhouse.com/g/moj/mojave.htm
Thanks Jim - let`s see what comes from this.
Nick Hall
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