>Jim,
>
>Thanks for taking the time to respond. Please believe me, no-one would be
>more excited if this were genuine than I, but I have heard so many stories
>and rumours that I don`t want the free-energy enterprise to falter because
>of yet more scams or hoaxes.
>
>OK?
>
>Thanks! :)
I can easily believe that.
>Now to some of the things you write:
>
>At 10:29 08/10/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>Correct. The gent who saw the thing run is also a computer techie and
acts
>>as a general business partner for the guy. They're involved in real
estate
>>deals together, etc.
>
>OK, so they are capable of seeing and acting on business opportunities.
Yes. In fact, one thing they're actively involved in marketing is a
magnetic hydraulic pump of unusual efficiency. It is NOT a free energy
machine but it would allow hydraulics on, say, a bulldozer to work off of
the batteries at lower cost and size than an equivelent power mechanical
setup as currently used.
>He is also likely to have surfed the net for similar ideas and very
>probably read this forum.
Not at all unlikely.
>>OK...but, as business partners I would think that the inventor could
discuss
>>his efforts with his partner?
>
>Sure, and this wouldn`t necessarily violate a subsequent patent, even
>without an explicit written agreement.
>
>>And I've left out several key details, believe me. I wish to hell I could
>>tell all and we could get "massed minds" working on it, that's how I
>>normally operate.
>
>I know what you mean, but an obvious question here:
>
>If he has a working model, he doesn`t need `massed minds` working on a
>problem - there is no problem to be solved other than getting the right
>environment for a patent application and subsequent public disclosure.
His biggest problem to date seems to be *controlling* the reaction! My
first thought was to wrap the outer fixed ring in a Faraday Cage mesh and by
increasing the power to the mesh, decreasing the strength of the push. As
is, the free energy device is something he's just allowed to sit because he
couldn't figure out how to control it; his idea was to somehow power
opposing electomagnets to act as brakes but #1 that requires circuit
knowlege he lacks and #2 it adds to the overall stresses. With 200lbs
rolling at 17,000RPM stresses are a major factor; per one witness, magnet
holders made of high-grade 1/4" aluminum were visibly flexing.
>This would take maybe 3 man-days given some help.
He's been working entirely solo. That's part of the problem.
>>He *can* indeed write - in 7-meter verse, ONLY, for anything sizable. He
>>actually published quite a bit that way - you wouldn't think a motorcycle
>>magazine would be a venue for poetry of any sort but "Easyriders" mag
bought
>>a couple of pieces back in the '70s.
>
>OK, I take the point - the guy is indeed creative. (Actually I never meant
>to imply he wasn`t but I apologise if my comments seemed to move in that
>direction).
Believe me, I understand. I understand him because I worked in close
contact with another such gent for about a year and a half.
>>If any type of mind is correct for solving overunity problems it's one o'
>>these dudes <grin!>.
>
>I`m sure you are right!
>
>I originally asked:
>
>>>Jim, why bother (literally) trying to re-invent the wheel`?????
>
>>Right, sounds good. I should tell you though that he got ripped off for a
>>whole lotta money years ago on a patent attempt by what sounds like it
might
>>be one of those "we help you with your invention" type shysters. Like I
>>said, he ain't real down-to-earth and now on top of that he's gunshy
>>bordering on paranoid.
>
>Take the point, but heck, we can find two or three people whose integrity
>matters more than `stealing this invention`. We send in 3 or 4 people with
>two video cameras (we keep a copy and he keeps a copy) and video the whole
>proceedings. At the end of the session the
>people-with-a-lot-to-lose-if-they-steal-the-idea say to camera that they
>believe it is genuine (having done some tests).
>
>We don`t have to video the actual machine`s `secret` - just the fact that a
>group of investigators have tested it and found it genuine.
>
>Man, we could frame this thing any way he would be comfortable with and get
>the job done pretty quickly.
Hmmmm. Ya....I see your point, and you're right. I'll call him tonight,
see where his head is at.
>>Right...except...it SEEMS so drop-dead-simple a design!
>
>They always do!!!!!!!!!
Ya but...hmmm. How do I put this? There's only *one* moving part, no
wires, no nuthin'.
>Remember - you didn`t _see_ the thing run. You were just told sufficient
>(you think) to make one.
Believe me, I know. That's why I'm itchin' to brew one myself, I understand
"duplicability" in these things.
>There have been (and are right now) a lot of people who `just need a bit
>more time` to get it spinning etc etc
>
>>That's why I'm
>>tempted to roll one myself. For starters, I'm 400ish miles away from him,
>
>Distance will be no object if this is genuine.
I believe you.
>I lived in LA for 5 months and now live in Manchester, England. I could
>finance a return trip from here to the Mojave for maybe 750 USD - cheap if
>it is genuine, so people who live in California would do it no problem.
>
>>second I think it'll be fairly difficult to get him to "focus" long enough
>>to do yet another proto.
>
>This is still the big question - if he has a working model NOW, why does he
>need to `focus` to make another?????
The main rotating bit is currently intact. The outer fixed ring assembly
that drops down over it is NOT at present; he took it apart to try and add
some sort of mechanical or electromagnetic control system.
>>If I can convince him that the people involved aren't thieves then sure.
>>I've got his snailmail addy and phone number.
>
>OK - let`s starting throwing some chips in here. I am an Anglican clergyman
>and I would never act in a way that brings disrepute to my ministry. (I`m
>not asking anyone to agree with or `condone` my religious beliefs nor do I
>imply I`m more `moral` than anyone etc etc etc, I just mean to say that
>this gives me `something to lose`, that`s all)
>
>Here is my church:
>
>http://www.domini.org/cheadle
>
>I`m a non-stipendiary minister - i.e. the Church doesn`t pay me. I run an
>Internet and Multimedia publishing company (Integrity Media Limited) and
>have had a lot of experience with video production.
>
>I`m also enough of a physicist to spot a fraud and to take measurements to
>prove (or disprove) that such a model is genuine or a failure).
>
>Jerry - if we get some expenses together, are you game to go and see this
>guy??
>
>I mention Jerry because he would have a _LOT_ to lose in the free-energy
>scene if he tried to `steal` the idea....
>
>I`m sure we could find a couple of others who would attempt such a trip -
>if we thought there was a
>chance it is genuine.
OK, I'll call him. He'll have to reconstruct the outer cradle but that's
not hard, a day or two worth of welding if I can get him excited enough.
I'll talk to him tonight. Nick, I'll send you personally some drawings of
what's really going on if you'll promise to sit on them until we get
feedback and permission from the maker? I think you'll be able to make a
preliminary judgement on whether or not this is worthy of more followup.
>>All of it. He's using an aluminum disk an inch thick for the main
rotating
>>bit, on a top-quality roller bearing. Aluminum welded supports are
holding
>>the magnets weighing about 2lbs each. He welded and bolted up the whole
>>thing himself.
>
>OK so you have seen the mechanism, but not seen it turning??
Right, because surrounding the spinning magnet array are more fixed magnets,
in a cradle that can be dropped own around the spinning bit. And that was
taken apart to try and add a control system.
>If not why not, because presumably if it is so simple then the guy wouldn`t
>be giving away any more by showing you it working......
>
>>See, that's what you gotta realize here, this guy ain't a lab tinkerer.
His
>>main thing is a totally complete auto shop capable of welding huge bits of
>>cars and trucks together, he's not into "small desktop toys". If it don't
>>involve a 7,000watt generator, arc welder and cherry picker engine hoist
>>he's not interested!
>
>I like the sound of this guy. He reminds me of someone locally who is
>constructing a free-energy machine in a disused chemical works and the
>prototype is 20 feet high!!!
>
>>> - What was the relationshiop of the third party you spoke with and
>>>this old man?
>
>>Business partner and long-time friend.
>
>Jim, I have to ask this:
>
>If for a moment we assume the thing is some kind of wierd scam or hoax,
>could you see ways in which they could benefit financially from generating
>`interest` in such a story?? (Lots of people visiting them, getting gas,
>getting their cars serviced etc etc).
First off, the only thing he sells at that location is purebred puppies once
in a while, and he doesn't even advertize that. He's not doing any public
business there. Mainly as a hobby, he restores old cars, he wants to get
into vintage auto racing soon with an old Sebring if you know what that
is...old 50's race car, has more potential than an AC Cobra.
Now, he IS trying to sell that magnetic pump design. He's actually deep in
negotiations with a tractor company on that. But other than the shared use
of magnets, there's no connection between the rotary engine and the pump.
I've got a fairly sensitive personal BS detector myself and it's not going
off at all.
>For example, two older retired guys over here generated a lot of media
>interest in crop circles which in fact they made using bits of wire and
>wood. They didn`t benefit financially but did get a buzz from the coverage.
>People do stuff like this for a kick - if you haven`t actually seen it
>working, what convinces you this is genuine, not some peculiar `trip` on
>their part???
I have held magnets up to the rotary bit in the same fashion they'd be held
by a rebuilt cradle. I've seen it move as a result, and felt the repulsion
kick in the magnets I was holding. And I find it pretty easy to visualize
the rest of the fixed array in place.
I think he's got something, flat out.
>>> - How big is the community in which he lives (rough order of
>>magnitude)?
>
>>One gas station, no traffic lights.
>>
>>Jim March
>
>Hmmm....I`ll wait for your replies to the above and see where it gets us.
>
>BTW, I came across the `Mojave Phone booth` web site today - what a blast!
>Nothing to do with free energy but it shows you the power of the net to
>share the peculiar fascinations of human beings.
>
>Check it out:
>
>http://www.cardhouse.com/g/moj/mojave.htm
>
>Thanks Jim - let`s see what comes from this.
>
>Nick Hall
He's not all THAT far into the boonies...heck, he's only 1/4 mile from a
major freeway.
Jim
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