Good to see you back Ren!
Energy dissipates, its a fact and that applies to wave energy as it
spreads out and eventually dies out as it tries to drag the medium up
and down or back and forth to propagate it.
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....From Stanford;
http://solar-center.stanford.edu/FAQ/QAlfven.html
When we say that a wave dissipates, we mean that energy carried in
organized form by the wave is transformed, irreversibly, into heat in
the substance which carries the wave.
(Note - the medium absorbs the energy of the wave so that it eventually
dies, the less resistance to the propagation of the wave, the longer the
wave will propagate.)
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http://hyperion.advanced.org/12580/wavesand.htm
-Frequency of a wave is the number of waves that pass a point per unit
of time.
-Wavelength is the distance between similar points in a set of waves,
such as from crest to crest or trough to trough.
-Amplitude is the distance from the crest (or the trough) to the
imaginary line.
-Waves transmit energy
The amount of energy determines the amplitude and the frequency.
-Node is the location on the save that has an amplitude of zero.
-If nodes increase then frequency increases and wavelength decreases.
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There is no way around it, however, it appears everyone has their own
interpretation of even these basic realities of the universe.
I always try to include URLs to backup why I say what I say, yet I don't
see that happening when something is refuted.
Wonder why that is?
One person said he didn't 'trust URLs'....well good point, but there are
many universities and technical sites so its a matter of discrimination
and looking for cross correlation with other sites that backup the
meaning of the questionable topic.
It does take time to locate that backup information, sometimes a great
deal of time, sometimes I have found information that corrected my
view. I've spent hours digging out URLs that backup a point for just
one message.
What I find interesting is this lack of backup for statements made,
relying on off the cuff or top of the head comments or casual remarks,
where something is said relating to just basic physics that is well
established, yet apparently misunderstood or 'interpreted'.
Perhaps that is an indication of WHY there is no tangible advances in
alt science because we aren't all playing from the same understandings
about how the universe works. I don't claim to KNOW everything there is
to know about physics or science or anything, and am certainly open to
change if someone will take the time to PROVE to me that I am in error.
I think any rational person is like that, willing to optimize and adapt
to the reality, not the interpretation of that reality.
Let's get back to Keely...and the mind stuff....IMO, most of that is new
age hokum which I think is intended to make AND KEEP Keely and his
results mysterious...why would anyone spend time, money and effort to
try to prove something that requires some unknown psychic ability to
do....if that's the case, then again IMO, we should all give it up
because we are back to the mumbo jumbo of the dark ages..
I can understand some of the new age concepts, more like CLAIMS since
they are not remotely proveable, thus they draw so many into the
maelstrom because everyone loves a mystery, UP TO A POINT....if its
never going to be resolved or has no chance of resolution because of the
spook factor, then I'm out of this picture completely...
I can bridge BETWEEN THE TWO, using instruments to measure phenomena
that is produced psychically but the purpose of that is to learn to do
it with hardware so that EVERYONE can do it which will then allow us to
learn to do it psychically, without needing a machine or a lifetime of
training...
Bloomfield Moore, Blavatsky and many of the women and men involved with
Keely and writing about him added in all their spiritualist and
metaphysical babble and ideas and applied thme to Keely. If you look at
the literature of the time, it was one of the most popular formats going
around, occult this, occult that....and I think Keely fell into a bit
becuase using it he could get research money...I don't think his hands
were lily white....
Sonoluminescence, which Keely discovered and called 'luminiferous ether'
appears as a pale blue light under acoustic stimulation of
water.....that has NO bearing on psychic ability....
Using high amplitude shock waves to pulverize garbage to a fine powder
which Keely did when he disintegrated quartz also involves none of this
hocus pocus.
Panasonic has an ultrasonic motor which is patented but it doesn't
require that the operator be psychic...Keely used acoustic waves to
drive his motors....
So, its one thing after another that shows this psychic mess is just
applying mystery where there is none, just a lack of understanding of
Keely's ideas which includes the mechanics, geometries and relationships
of these to produce phenomena.
Ok, I'll be open to the very SLIM possibility that because Keely was
using very precisely tuned vibrating structures, that might have
amplitudes which were very weak, they could POSSIBLY be sensitive to
outside stimuli....but that whole story smacks of National Enquirer of
the time reporting....as far as I know and I'd have to check to verify,
I've seen only this one story about Keely having to touch the machine,
the operator or to be 'in the presence' of the machine, ONLY ONCE...and
from that has spun all this falling into mystery that causes so many to
throw the baby out with the bathwater....
So, for my money, its a machine, it will work with anyone who
understands how to build it and operate it. Just like our machines
these days, when you turn on a light switch, the light comes on, you
don't HAVE to know how it works, where it comes from or have any special
resonance with it....no machine I know of.
Towards that interest of understanding IF this is NECESSARY, is the
reason KeelyNet and this forum have the many references to such things
as dowsing, radionics, brainwave monitoring, the random number generator
that can be influenced....
As far as I can tell, this mind stuff only appeared in the last part of
Keely's life, he had already done many purely mechanical
demonstrations....I think the true reason others could not get the
machine to run was they didn't know exactly how to operate it or they
didn't know where all the secret valves were to let in the high pressure
air...<g>....just kidding....
I'll stick with hardware and what can be measured and not get into
replying to comments that can't or won't be cross verified from other
sources....after all, if everyone has their own view of the universe
without some understanding of basic phenomena that can be checked out,
then its all a crapshoot and no one will ever come to a consensus
because they don't speak the same language or dialect.
Marinus Berghuis wrote:
>
> At 23:45 5/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi Slavek et al!
> >
> Hi Jerry and all,
>
> Glad to be back and give my opinion on the wave etc. When you slap the water
> and the wave appears, The wavelength does not change,the energy is the same
> and never diminishes to zero. all that changes is the amplitude because it
> is distributed over a wider area. Every frequency generated is there for
> ever and the more sensitive our receiving apparatus becomes,the more we
> will receive.
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