Actually what I learned from the internet sites of the claimed overunity
device is that they all each represent part of the whole structure of the
phenomena. Each emphasized different aspects of it since they did not know
what was the main cause of the secret. If you try to duplicate the machine
you end up making your own version of it which usually doesn't work because
of the missed points. I don't think Hans Coler, Moray, Hendershot and the
well known Swiss devices are false claims including the Sweet's. They do
not and can not say what is the key secret of it because they honestly do
not know what it is. So they are not even consciously duping people when
they say they have built the machine. As a scientist you ask seriously what
is behind all these before asking why these "con-artists" are misleading
people. The world is full of scam and false beliefs offered by all kinds of
cults and misleading religions. They are the products of insecure human
emotions not of the scientific rational. We won't be able to avoid it even
in the 21st century. Let them do their part and we do our reasoning by
absorbing the salient part of the reported claims whether they are false or
not which we do not know for sure. Let's postpone the judgement until the
last. When the time comes we will know why they have worked and what was
the secret ingredient of it. You don't have to worry about the scientists
shy away from these phenomena because if you have eyes you also know how
and what to look. If the witness reports are genuine, Moray device itself
is enough to deserve a serious look into the phenomena. A serious scientist
can not afford to lose the sight of these events.
EJJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Garber [SMTP:RussG@mtlusa.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 12, 1999 5:45 PM
To: Interact@KeelyNet.com
Subject: RE: False Hopes due to Liars and Scamsters!
Hi Euejin,
I think you missed the point here. I agree completely with Jerry's
assessment
on this. The main point being that there are con artists out there, who do
take advantage of people in situations such as that. Whether the technology
they claim to possess exists or not, is not as relevant as the point that
everyone should seek proof before paying money for such things,
particularly in
that type of situation.
On the over-unity side, I for one am sick of wading through all the BS
claims
trying to find real one's. False claims do nothing except waste people's
time,
and money, and only further hurt the reputability of people making honest
claims. I have chosen not to take any claims seriously, where the inventor
claims to have built an actual working device, but have since lost it, or
claim
that it was stolen, etc. This is too often the case. On many
free-energy
pages, there are such claims, that are being investigated and usually come
up
short. Some even have replies from the inventor claiming that the devices
were
built wrong and is the reason given for why the device did not work as
claimed. But I have to ask, why haven't the inventors rebuilt the
devices
themselves, as they would be the most qualified to re-build there own
device,
right? This is not always the case... It is possible that the inventor
has
valid reasons why they have not rebuilt it themselves, but with all the
false
claims out there, it is getting hard to know which one's are worth
investigating. Unless the inventor is giving away the information for
free,
and tier device can be built fairly cheaply, I would not waste my time. I
think some people have idea's that they may honestly think will work, and
they
claim to have built a working device (without doing so), only to get other
people to try and prove tier theory, so that they may claim credit, just in
case it does work. There are simple devices out there that are easily
built
and appear to be the real thing. But, unfortunately, even though some of
these
simple devices appear to work (magnet ramp type devices for example), they
would require significant modifications, and some ingenuity to produce the
amount of energy wanted, and this leads people to spend more time working
on
the more complicated devices (because someone falsely stated that they
built a
working prototype), which may never work. It is bad enough that a lot of
main stream science types will never accept over-unity devices, because
they
were taught that such things cannot exist, but when some of them actually
do
keep an open mind, and actually do investigate these claims, the false
one's
only further make up thier minds for them.
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