And you have to acknowledge the fact that certain minerals in a violantly
stirred
solution of water.. does split the water into hydrogen and oxygen. I have
seen
pictures of the Joe cell.. and sure looks Violant to me! Also.. why does it
have
to be 'creek water'? It is the minerals in that water I bet!
Now lets say at BDC of the piston it is 14.7psi and filled with the Joe cell
'gasses/OR/DOR/watever'... and a spark is ignited as it starts back up to
TDC. POW... a 1800:1 implosion takes place... helping the piston to move
to TDC. Does that not make sense? Am I off? Seems right to me?
v/r Ken Carrigan
>Hi! Ken: What is this super vacuum you refer to?? A vacuum on top of a
piston
>can only result in a working pressure of 14.97 pounds/inch square at sea
level
>no mater how deep the vacuum is. ???????????? There is a common
misconception
>about operating an engine via vacuum produced from the implosion of
monatomic
>hydrogen and oxygen. High working pressures in the cylinders cannot be
achieved
>since the working force is derived from atmospheric pressure on the
underside of
>the pistons and nothing more. Think about this before going off on a
tangent.
>How can astronauts wear a thin space suite which is exposed to the hard
vacuum
>of space?? The suit only has to withstand a pressure of 4 pounds positive
>pressure inside the suit and a negative pressure of 15 pounds of the vacuum
for
>a grand total of 19 pounds pressure. I know this sounds complicated but it
>works in space and vacuum engines don't do much work unless you have some
hugh
>piston areas to deal with. An ordinary gas engine (internal combustion)
have
>combustion chamber pressures in the thousands of pounds of pressure at
ignition
>of the fuel air mix before the adiabatic expansion and exhaust from the
>cylinder. There is more going on in the Joe Cell which has nothing to do
with
>hydrogen and oxygen production. Forget about this approach and think along
the
>lines of OR and DOR cancellation and the production of very high chamber
>pressures at TDC needed to drive the piston and do useful work. FOOD FOR
>THOUGHT. Norm P.S. Merry Christmas
>
>Ken Carrigan wrote:
>
>> Marinus,
>> Since I am in the US, I really do not know much about Austrailian cars or
>> engines. Really I do not know much about our US engines anymore but
>> know almost all now are fuel injected and purely electronic controlled,,
>> thus
>> advancing or retarding has to be microprocessor controlled and
reprogrammed.
>> Now.. I do know a little about microprocessors and controls... but
>> mechanical...
>> I'm not. Hey.. my thinking was that you are 'imploding' and 'sucking'
up
>> the
>> piston instead of 'pushing' the piston. Now if monotonic Hydrogen and
>> Oxygen
>> are expelled from a vacuum on the Joe cell (vacuum increases the
>> evisceration)
>> then once inside the chamber (it could recombine into N205?? Nitrous
Oxide)
>> it will reform into a water molecule or Pull 1800cc into 1cc (super
vacuum..
>> to
>> pull that cylinder back up).
>>
>> Now what does the Aluminium have to do with it???? THAT is the Biggest
>> question! That website...
>> http://www.newscientist.com/ns/980228/ncatalyst.html
>> explains either cuprous oxide or a special molybdenum catalyst is used to
>> split the water into hydrogen and oxygen. Notice though that Positive
>> pressure
>> of 500 pascals will stop the reation... but what about a VACUUM!!! That
>> might
>> even increase the Hydrogen and oxygen rate. You know it also got me
>> thinking
>> that CREEK water of the Joe cell.... might just have certain minerals..
like
>> cuprous oxide or the special molybdenum catalyst in it beside several
others
>> that even excellerates the hydrogen and oxygen generation. Also...
another
>> observation... the Monotonic Hydrogen OR Oxygen maybe combines by the
>> same catalyst or adheres to certain metals like IRON engines! Thus
Alumium
>> engines and cylinders and pistons must be used.
>>
>> Very good scientific experiments can now be formed based on the above
>> and already done research. Building a small alumium engine and fitting a
>> Joe cell to this.... with different minerals in Distilled Water... is
>> Cutting Research!!
>>
>> The slight potential of the battery on the Joe cell also maybe helping
the
>> catalyst
>> to work more efficently. The charging of the catalyst brings to mind the
>> COLD FUSION setup... which uses copper, nickle, and paladium charged
>> to generate heat in a electrolytic solution.
>>
>> So.. in short... THIS IS A CUTTING EDGE R&D program that industry is
>> probably
>> working hard at.. and Joe had stumbled on!
>>
>> MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
>>
>> V/r Ken Carrigan
>>
>> >Kenneth,
>> >You must have heard of it and would refer you to two articles in Nexus
No 5
>> >volume 5 August September 1998 and further with a further update October
>> >November issue.
>> >I did construct version 3 and tried it most primitively on a 1960' Rover
V
>> >8 which is all aluminium. Also the charge, if you can call it that must
be
>> >connected on a blind piece of aluminium on the manifold which is not
easy
>> >to do.
>> >However much to our surprise it ran the engine at full tilt but was not
>> >tried on the road so can not tell you what the power output was. I
>> >accidentally shorted the unit and it died.
>> >I took it home and put it on charge where after one week on rainwater,
the
>> >water turned to a brown soup which I have not analysed but will do so in
>> >the future. Also the top of the unit is not very well manufactured and
most
>> >probably will have to rework it.
>> >The funny part is that the hydrogen produced is minimal and the engine
>> >timing had to be retarded 86 degrees to make it hum.
>> >This said to me that nitrogen is involved because it implodes when the
>> >spark comes on and explodes when it comes to the top without a spark. So
my
>> >theory is that the charge through the aluminium puts antispin on the
>> >nitrogen which gets reversed on ignition to act as nitro glycerine which
>> >also implodes before it explodes. (this from an explosives expert.)
>> >I would also recommed you to have a look at Bruce Cathie's harmonic
>> >equations as there are some definite effects when using apparatus of his
>> >suggested exact dimensions like heating a house without heat etc.
>> >When you read through his ideas you will see that the Joe phenomenon
ties
>> >in with it.
>> >
>> >I must go as I have an engine to remove from some jap crap which is not
>> >supposed to be repaired. (A mechanic's nightmare)
>> >Hope to hear from you sometime again.
>> >Ren Berghuis
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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