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Norman Wootan ( normw@fastlane.net )
Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:35:23 -0600

Hi! Ken: What is this super vacuum you refer to?? A vacuum on top of a piston
can only result in a working pressure of 14.97 pounds/inch square at sea level
no mater how deep the vacuum is. ???????????? There is a common misconception
about operating an engine via vacuum produced from the implosion of monatomic
hydrogen and oxygen. High working pressures in the cylinders cannot be achieved
since the working force is derived from atmospheric pressure on the underside of
the pistons and nothing more. Think about this before going off on a tangent.
How can astronauts wear a thin space suite which is exposed to the hard vacuum
of space?? The suit only has to withstand a pressure of 4 pounds positive
pressure inside the suit and a negative pressure of 15 pounds of the vacuum for
a grand total of 19 pounds pressure. I know this sounds complicated but it
works in space and vacuum engines don't do much work unless you have some hugh
piston areas to deal with. An ordinary gas engine (internal combustion) have
combustion chamber pressures in the thousands of pounds of pressure at ignition
of the fuel air mix before the adiabatic expansion and exhaust from the
cylinder. There is more going on in the Joe Cell which has nothing to do with
hydrogen and oxygen production. Forget about this approach and think along the
lines of OR and DOR cancellation and the production of very high chamber
pressures at TDC needed to drive the piston and do useful work. FOOD FOR
THOUGHT. Norm P.S. Merry Christmas

Ken Carrigan wrote:

> Marinus,
> Since I am in the US, I really do not know much about Austrailian cars or
> engines. Really I do not know much about our US engines anymore but
> know almost all now are fuel injected and purely electronic controlled,,
> thus
> advancing or retarding has to be microprocessor controlled and reprogrammed.
> Now.. I do know a little about microprocessors and controls... but
> mechanical...
> I'm not. Hey.. my thinking was that you are 'imploding' and 'sucking' up
> the
> piston instead of 'pushing' the piston. Now if monotonic Hydrogen and
> Oxygen
> are expelled from a vacuum on the Joe cell (vacuum increases the
> evisceration)
> then once inside the chamber (it could recombine into N205?? Nitrous Oxide)
> it will reform into a water molecule or Pull 1800cc into 1cc (super vacuum..
> to
> pull that cylinder back up).
>
> Now what does the Aluminium have to do with it???? THAT is the Biggest
> question! That website...
> http://www.newscientist.com/ns/980228/ncatalyst.html
> explains either cuprous oxide or a special molybdenum catalyst is used to
> split the water into hydrogen and oxygen. Notice though that Positive
> pressure
> of 500 pascals will stop the reation... but what about a VACUUM!!! That
> might
> even increase the Hydrogen and oxygen rate. You know it also got me
> thinking
> that CREEK water of the Joe cell.... might just have certain minerals.. like
> cuprous oxide or the special molybdenum catalyst in it beside several others
> that even excellerates the hydrogen and oxygen generation. Also... another
> observation... the Monotonic Hydrogen OR Oxygen maybe combines by the
> same catalyst or adheres to certain metals like IRON engines! Thus Alumium
> engines and cylinders and pistons must be used.
>
> Very good scientific experiments can now be formed based on the above
> and already done research. Building a small alumium engine and fitting a
> Joe cell to this.... with different minerals in Distilled Water... is
> Cutting Research!!
>
> The slight potential of the battery on the Joe cell also maybe helping the
> catalyst
> to work more efficently. The charging of the catalyst brings to mind the
> COLD FUSION setup... which uses copper, nickle, and paladium charged
> to generate heat in a electrolytic solution.
>
> So.. in short... THIS IS A CUTTING EDGE R&D program that industry is
> probably
> working hard at.. and Joe had stumbled on!
>
> MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
>
> V/r Ken Carrigan
>
> >Kenneth,
> >You must have heard of it and would refer you to two articles in Nexus No 5
> >volume 5 August September 1998 and further with a further update October
> >November issue.
> >I did construct version 3 and tried it most primitively on a 1960' Rover V
> >8 which is all aluminium. Also the charge, if you can call it that must be
> >connected on a blind piece of aluminium on the manifold which is not easy
> >to do.
> >However much to our surprise it ran the engine at full tilt but was not
> >tried on the road so can not tell you what the power output was. I
> >accidentally shorted the unit and it died.
> >I took it home and put it on charge where after one week on rainwater, the
> >water turned to a brown soup which I have not analysed but will do so in
> >the future. Also the top of the unit is not very well manufactured and most
> >probably will have to rework it.
> >The funny part is that the hydrogen produced is minimal and the engine
> >timing had to be retarded 86 degrees to make it hum.
> >This said to me that nitrogen is involved because it implodes when the
> >spark comes on and explodes when it comes to the top without a spark. So my
> >theory is that the charge through the aluminium puts antispin on the
> >nitrogen which gets reversed on ignition to act as nitro glycerine which
> >also implodes before it explodes. (this from an explosives expert.)
> >I would also recommed you to have a look at Bruce Cathie's harmonic
> >equations as there are some definite effects when using apparatus of his
> >suggested exact dimensions like heating a house without heat etc.
> >When you read through his ideas you will see that the Joe phenomenon ties
> >in with it.
> >
> >I must go as I have an engine to remove from some jap crap which is not
> >supposed to be repaired. (A mechanic's nightmare)
> >Hope to hear from you sometime again.
> >Ren Berghuis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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