jmag wrote:
> Regarding Dennis Lee, His heatpump used Freon for the phase change not
> water!
>
> Norman Wootan wrote:
> >
> > Jerry: Tesla was very fastinated with liquid air for if you look at the
> > "carnot" cycle to determine overal efficiencies it is based on "absolute
> > temperature" Kelvin. In Tesla's time, turn of the century, liquid air was
> > a method of playing with conversion of ambient temperature conversion to
> > energy by shifting the "cold sink" temperature down closer to absolute
> > zero. I think liquid air is somewhere around -140 degree C. Don't sware to
> > that figure for I didn't look it up. In the previous post on Dennis Lee's
> > heat pump system, if he would establish a cold sink temperature down in
> > this region then the efficiencies would "sky rocket". Like fish in the
> > pond, our environment is very comfortable, but relative to absolute zero it
> > is hotter than hell and contains a very high level of energy that is there
> > to be taped. It is all relative. Norm
> >
> > Jerry Wayne Decker wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Norman!
> > >
> > > Now that's interesting, I never heard it before but surely the
> > > oldtimers knew what they were talking about since it was the 'age of
> > > steam'.
> > >
> > > And Boyd's response that 'when it condenses it must contract 1676
> > > times'.
> > >
> > > To my view, normally, contraction produces heating while expansion
> > > produces cooling.
> > >
> > > In this case, the steam condenses to phase change to water with a loss
> > > of heat energy to produce cooling.
> > >
> > > With regard to this mechanical process from the 1800's that produced
> > > PRESSURE, would it be hydraulic pressure applied to water which I
> > > can't see doing anything, or would it be a suction where the water
> > > converts to vapor due to the rarified air media?
> > >
> > > Norm said 'at atmospheric pressure'.
> > >
> > > I can't help thinking this is a key consideration, that it is the
> > > pressure in which the water is released.
> > >
> > > A few years ago, at a Global Science Congress, a doctor friend (Dr.
> > > George Friebott) demonstrated what he called an 'ozone motor' which
> > > was based on Tesla's claim that liquid air could be extracted and used
> > > for power. George said the unit was built by a farmer up in his part
> > > of the country and had been kept in his barn.
> > >
> > > This device was totally mechanical and ran on compressed air. The
> > > stage on which the device was tested consisted of several joined
> > > platforms, each of which were about 2 foot high by 10 feet long by 5
> > > feet wide.
> > >
> > > A small air compressor was attached to the unit and roughly 10psi was
> > > injected into the motor. It spun and produced torque on the shaft
> > > that could not be stopped by hand.
> > >
> > > The air pressure was gradually increased to 15 and then 20 psi, where
> > > the motor began moving all over the platforms and ended up pushing
> > > them apart. We were all amazed that such mechanicl power could come
> > > from such low air pressure but we saw it.
> > >
> > > There is a book called 'Liquid Air' from Lindsay Publications which
> > > gives some information about using air as a source of fuel when
> > > condensed. It also ties in to the claims of the late Ed Boese who
> > > used liquid nitrogen, expanded to 980 times its volume and driving an
> > > air motor to run a car...check out;
> > >
> > > http://www.keelynet.com/energy/boese.htm
> > >
> > > there are at least two other inventors who claimed to have run their
> > > automobile on compressed air which I believe had been separated to
> > > produce pure oxygen which exploded in the presence of the cylinder
> > > spark.
> > >
> > > http://www.keelynet.com/energy/airmotor.txt
> > >
> > > So I think this line of research offers great promise. The biggest
> > > problem or benefit, depending on your point of view, is it involves
> > > experiments that would require machining and metalworking.
> > >
> > > The idea of a purely mechanical system to produce pressure from water,
> > > and that can be scaled up to any pressure desired interests me no end.
> > >
> > > ---Norman Wootan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I believe that if you will take the time to go to the library and
> > > find a
> > > > book on old steam engines and boilers you will find the widely
> > > accepted
> > > > rule that one (1) gallon of water will make 1700 gallons of steam at
> > > > atmospheric pressure. I was taught that by my grandfather back when
> > > I was
> > > > a little kid and have never forgotten it. Norm
> > >
> > > Jerry Decker wrote;
> > > > > >The guy says he ROUTINELY produced 15-17 psi for his experiments
> > > just
> > > > > >by somehow manipulating water mechanically....this is VERY
> > > IMPORTANT
> > > > > >and I've not been able to find anyone who has a clue about it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Why? Because he said that using this same mechanical technique he
> > > > > >could easily generate any pressure so desired simply by scaling
> > > up the
> > > > > >device.
> > >
> > > > > >---Boytrell@aol.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Today we have vacuums as high as 28.5 inches of Hg. Thats not
> > > > > >difficult to believe when you know that when water first starts to
> > > > > >boil it expands 1676 times, so it's easy to see that when it
> > > > > >condenses it must contract 1676 times.
> > >
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