Re: Fwd: Dennis Lee was half way there.

Norman Wootan ( normw@fastlane.net )
Sat, 21 Nov 1998 16:54:12 -0600

Hi! Ken: When you go back and try re-inventing the wheel, applying
mathematics, something screws up and you don't come out with a round wheel that
is of any use. I like to reference tried and proven, down through the years,
common knowledge that our ancestors used to create the Industrial Revolution,
STEAM POWER. Do you realize that when we ( Leonard Dorsset and I went to Texas
A&M University to get information on DeLeval steam nozzle design parameters we
were told that all information on steam technology was sent to the archives and
was no longer taught at that institution. ?????? I'm here to tell you that with
modern technology married with practices used around the turn of the century we
have a fair chance of making some valuable breakthroughs in energy. Just go
back and put this whole thread together and study very carefully what was said
and better yet, what was not said but eluded to. I think you will get the
picture. Norm

Ken Carrigan wrote:

> OK... got me there...just seemed to the naked eye that it was off...
> but I believe ya! Forgot also to apply the 22.4 liters/mole thingy
> on conversion of mass to gas...but I'll skip it. <g>
>
> Now on a 'pressure' note involving sound... there is a company
> out here that has a patient on using sound standing waves in a
> cavity resonance mode. Taping this cavity at low and high points
> will produce low and high pressure ports. This 'solid' state no
> moving parts device can be used as a compressor but not sure
> what the COP is on it.. or efficiency of the unit. Very neat type of
> device though.. someday I'm sure this device's principles will
> used in heat pumps, airconditioners in cars/home and refrigerators.
> Also could even be used to replace small engines, forced air,
> etc etc...
>
> v/r Ken Carrigan
>
> >I believe that if you will take the time to go to the library and find a
> >book on old steam engines and boilers you will find the widely accepted
> >rule that one (1) gallon of water will make 1700 gallons of steam at
> >atmospheric pressure. I was taught that by my grandfather back when I was
> >a little kid and have never forgotten it. Norm
> >
> >Kenneth Carrigan wrote:
> >
> >> This somewhat follows the thermodynamics laws of PV=nRT or
> >> Boyles and Charles law combined. P=pressure, V=Volume,
> >> n= number of moles, R= gas constant (.0821) and T is Temperature
> >> in Kelvin. However, I do not see that 1676 times expansion. With
> >> only temperature changing and pressure - open to atmosphere.. the
> >> volume change would be on the order of 212F/70F or 3 times the
> >> expansion when it boils? Unless we are talking about something
> >> else like splitting the water molecule into O2 and H2... which would
> >> be quite an expansion! I think Keely split the water molecule into
> >> Hydrogen and Oxygen.. maybe even futher.. like the bubble in
> >> sonoluminescence where it actually glows blue at 10,000 degrees
> >> just from sound waves focused.
> >>
> >> v/r Ken Carrigan
> >>
> >> >Hi Boyd!
> >> >
> >> >Thanks for the interesting information which I did post to the list so
> >> >expect some questions..<g>..
> >> >
> >> >I was most intrigued by your comment about the expansion of water by
> >> >1676 times its volume.
> >> >
> >> >I knew nitrogen going from its cryogenic state to a gas state will
> >> >expand 980 times its volume but this was new to me.
> >> >
> >> >The reason I am so enthralled with it is because of a claim written in
> >> >the late 1800's about Keely type stuff from a guy who said there was a
> >> >'commonly known' method of producing a mechanically derived pressure
> >> >from water.
> >> >
> >> >Apparently involving cooling in the process but I'd have to look up
> >> >the details (only in a small letter to a newspaper which I've posted
> >> >here before).
> >> >
> >> >The guy says he ROUTINELY produced 15-17 psi for his experiments just
> >> >by somehow manipulating water mechanically....this is VERY IMPORTANT
> >> >and I've not been able to find anyone who has a clue about it.
> >> >
> >> >Why? Because he said that using this same mechanical technique he
> >> >could easily generate any pressure so desired simply by scaling up the
> >> >device.
> >> >
> >> >It was apparently a very small table top unit that produced the 15-17
> >> >psi.
> >> >
> >> >Do you have any thoughts on this???
> >> >=============================
> >> >---Boytrell@aol.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Today we have vacuums as high as 28.5 inches of Hg. Thats not
> >> >difficult to believe when you know that when water first starts to
> >> >boil it expands 1676 times, so it's easy to see that when it
> >> >condenses it must contract 1676 times.
> >> >
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