This refers to honesty, truth and integrity in the free energy and alt
science arenas.
In light of your endless useless and self-serving posts in the past, you
should not rely on;
> A careful review of the list rules is in order here.
> <snip> I think it should be about reality, not fantasy.
And the coup de resistance;
> Really? I guess thats why I've freely given several designs,
> and countless hours of freely given assitance to many who have
> sucessfully duplicated these devices.
Which are by extension so successful (not lab queens) that they are in
use worldwide providing self-sustained free energy, therefore
identifying you as one we should all pray to.
Get with the program Shannon, the newbies and some of the older ones
have no idea who or what you are or represent.
You followed with a pure though veiled TVQ reference to your own tainted
history;
> But I'm sure you culd have great discussions with Jerry Decker
> about that idea.
I would prefer you not drag me into your TVQ inspired logic or 'humor'
though since you persist and to date I've not responded to you, let's
FINALLY do some dredging (only posted as a result of your own unceasing
taunts) and shed some light on Shannons history.
That history was with the KeelyNet BBS where Shannon (at that time
unidentified with a real name other than that of TVQ) stated over and
over that 'they', the TVQ cult, had all the secrets to scalar based free
energy and gravity control devices.
TVQ/Shannon claimed a book WOULD BE PUBLISHED as promoted on the
KeelyNet BBS for over one year and which I later discovered was simply a
ploy to drag more disciples into the TVQ cult.
The idea was to tease people into responding, assess their technical
abilities, then if they showed promise, to offer them a tidbit to draw
them deeper into the cult.
When I kept receiving requests for WHEN they would comply with their
many promises of 'a book' that I finally realized was being used as a
lure to drag in the BBS members, I asked TVQ (Bob) about WHEN 'the book'
would be FINALLY available.
He got all defensive (proof of claims), he waffled, argued and finally
stated 'they' had changed their 'collective' minds.
You see, he had asked me early on to refer what I considered talented
people to their group and I stupidly did so in my naivete'. I usually
trust people without requiring a lot of background or history.
Each of these people disappeared from most of the KeelyNet BBS
discussions although they had been rather prolific and highly
informative prior to their absorption into the TVQ cult. When I or
others would call or email these recent converts they would grudgingly
respond if at all.
When I recognized what was going on, that Shannon/TVQ were simply
trolling for talent, who then strangely either disappeared or would no
longer have open converse on the BBS, though they did lurk hoping
something useful might yet be posted, something that they could 'absorb
into the body' of TVQ, then I kicked him and his cronies off.
The final comment from TVQ Bob was something like 'we will submerge into
the sea of cyberspace until we arise again'...something to that
effect....I was perturbed to see the infection on the Net, it was
inevitable though the approach isn't quite so blatant as before.
Diseases learn, mercy!
It was too weird for me, he never was honest from day one and I didn't
need friends and contacts that I knew and respected being absorbed by
some strange outfit who never revealed anything, lied about their 'book'
trying to get people into their cult by tempting them with a private
tidbit release of a 'secret'.
It was a neat trick and taught me a lesson about spooks, trust and
psychotics and how intelligent people could be absorbed by a totally
secretive, untrustworthy and dishonest 'group' to the point they no
longer were 'in' the same world.
To this date, I don't know EXACTLY what it was, only that I wanted to
distance myself and KeelyNet from the TVQ infection and its leader and
members.
I had received 'spook' emails warning me that 'you don't know what you
are dealing with' (with TVQ) and such. That played no part as crazies
are everywhere and I have nothing to hide, but I didn't like the bold
lies and teases about the book and offers of 'tidbits' to accelerate the
brain drain into the cult, so did what I could to stop it in my sandbox.
That is the background and gist of this 'back to basics' that all should
be aware of.
So, keep all this in mind when dealing with anything from this
particular source (Shannon). There is a bit more but it doesn't fit the
list guidelines since abnormal psychology isn't relevant to free energy.
I have refrained from responding to Shannons trolls directed at me on
this and the vortex list because as usual he serves only his own
purposes, nebulous and suspect as they are.
Speaking for myself (though I suspect many others ALSO subscribed here
for free energy discussions...DUH.....), my goal is to help develop and
freely share a working free energy device technology. Nothing more.
The most likely approaches to free energy that I've seen remain;
1) high voltage as with Hyde, Testatika
2) phase conjugation
3) special heat pumps that might tap the vortex as in the
recent claims of zpe@pdq.net
4) hydrosonics and 'molecule shearing' to produce heat as with
Griggs, Potapov, Schauberger and Clem
5) acoustic phase conjugation as with Keely, Leedskalnin & others
6) mechanical percussion of water to release a pressurized
'cold, dry vapor' as in early Keely and other experiments
These are some of the promising approaches and for my money, the CLEM
engine offers one of the best chances. Originally based on observations
that a 'hot asphalt sprayer' would continue to run for up to 30 minutes
after power was shut off, it became the Clem engine.
The recent threads about negative resistance and negative viscosity in
combination with the claims of tapping energy from the vortex, possibly
a hot to cold observation, indicates the 350 degree Clem engine has more
than a good chance of working.
I note that the overunity effect as claimed did not occur until two
things happened, the velocity increased to around 2000 rpm and the
temperature increased to REDUCE VISCOSITY.
I don't know all the answers, nor does any rational person else they
could prove it in hardware. The best bet in my opinion is to collect
all known reports, then correlate for common patterns, then devise an
experiment and test it. Such reports should be and are freely shared by
many people as files, webpages and on discussion lists, which is as it
should be.
All the endless argument over minutiae or terms serves little purpose
towards producing a working device. I've tried to refrain but often see
certain people who have axes to grind by posting snide comments trolling
for a reaction.
The list would benefit greatly if we could just ALL stick to the subject
here which is free energy and making it so.
-- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187