Larry Sullivan
Jerry W. Decker wrote:
>
> Hi Marc et al!
>
> You wrote;
> > PURE BS oxygen is an oxidiser NOT the FUEL. in a pure oxygen
> > environment a lit cigar will explode and petroleum products will
> > spontaneously combust (you wont see any fighter pilots wearing
> > petroleum lip balm it will cause a first degree burn) but oxygen by
> > itself in the presence of a spark will not combust!
> > If you add other gasses like hydrogen or fuels like carbon it will
> > oxidise the other gas/fuel and cause an explosion or combustion!
> > I am sure that the engine relies on another principal to run, sounds
> > interesting the simplest way that I know to get pure oxygen from air
> > is through a sieve bed.
>
> There are basically three approaches to this airmotor engine discussion;
>
> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/airmotor.txt - Lee Rogers airmotor
> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/boese.htm - expansion of liquid nitrogen
>
> Well, I don't know absolutely that is true that oxygen isn't a
> 'fuel'...but yes, I'll agree with you that oxygen isn't normally
> considered a fuel per se, more like a catalyst.
>
> However, I was thinking more along the lines of the claims of the Joseph
> Papp Inert Gas engine which uses a mix of inert gases (technically not
> fuels either), which, being exposed to a spark will excite them with
> sufficient explosive force to REPEL from each other and produce thrust
> to drive a piston.
>
> The gases are NOT BURNED, but are re-gathered and remixed to be
> reintroduced in a completely enclosed engine.
>
> The only input is the spark for the plug.
>
> Interesting, Papp himself calls 'inert gases' FUELS...<g>.. From the US
> Patent Office online database which goes from 1976-present;
>
> http://www.uspto.gov/patft/index.html
>
> 4,428,193 Inert gas fuel, fuel preparation apparatus and system for
> extracting useful work from the fuel
>
> http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=10&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=pall&s1=papp&s2='inert+gas'&OS=papp+A
>
> I don't know how you would classify the airmotor engine, Rogers calls it
> an airmotor and it uses a high volume air scoop.
>
> I don't have the reference but I have read that the 'natural abundance'
> of Nitrogen is 78% of the air we breathe but as far as I know it won't
> explode in the presence of a spark, perhaps under pressure?
>
> So to my view, Oxygen seems the more likely since it ranges up to about
> 20% or more depending on the local pollution levels and gas mix.
>
> When I mentioned 78%, I am referring to the 'natural abundance' of
> nitrogen in our atmosphere as it mixes with other gases in various
> proportions, same for oxygen, but for the record here are the NMR tables
> with what they are saying is the natural abundance of elements in and on
> the earth;
>
> Nitrogen is posted at;
> http://kristall1.min.uni-hannover.de/nmr/nmrtable/n.htm
> with a listed Natural abundance of 99.63%
>
> Oxygen is posted at;
> http://kristall1.min.uni-hannover.de/nmr/nmrtable/o.htm
> with a listed Natural abundance of 0.037 %
>
> It would be interesting if there is some explosive property of nitrogen
> that has been missed. Does anyone know if that is so? I'm am certain
> there are numerous variations in what is considered 'fixed' reactions
> which if RE-investigated from a new perspective will provide new, novel,
> phenomena that could be adapted for practical uses.
>
> It is buying into the fallacious idea that all is known and what is
> considered FACT has no permutations beyond the known, reproducible
> reactions or characteristics....lateral thinking I believe they call
> it..<g>..
>
> ==================================
> An adjunct to this search using Papp+inert gas this also came up on the
> Noble (Stirling type) heat engine that also uses inert gases;
>
> 3,949,554 Heat engine
>
> http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=17&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=pall&s1=papp&s2='inert+gas'&OS=papp+A
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