Re: Electrical verses magnetic fields
Robert Calloway ( (no email) )
Thu, 21 May 1998 18:08:12 -0500
Hello Dino! Thanks for the comments, well.. thats what this forum is all
about to
discuss differtent opinons, and hope that everyone can at least listen to
what one
thinks, even though it may sound crazy as heck. Sometimes us crazy folks
get a
bone every now and then. But thats what brings up new ideas and thoughts
sometimes. .
Now... just to let you know.. I am very familar with semiconductors, vacum
tubes,transistors,
inductors and antennas, for I am also a ham operator. What I do most of the
time is to
throw different ideas into the arena. It makes you think! YOU say that cant
be right,
but at least I have made you think. I think the worst problem anyone could
have, would
be a completely closed mind about what they have been taught. Thats why
wars are
still fought over religion. My gosh.. I dont need to get into that.. Let me
say 73's Dino.
Thats a old Ham code meaning good bye. Regards, Robert H. Calloway.
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> From: Dino Arnulfo M. Baua <goode@itookmyprozac.com>
> To: KeelyNet-L@lists.kz
> Subject: Re: Electrical verses magnetic fields
> Date: Friday, May 22, 1998 1:55 AM
>
> Hi Robert!
>
> First of all, If I sounded like I was trying to be "the all and end all"
of electron theory, I apologize. Though I have never done any repairs on
generators or any other dynamo for that matter, I based my answers on what
I've been taught and my experience as far as circuit design is concerned.
>From your explanation of your side, you don't sound like you've been taught
well on basic electricity. Sorry, it isn't my intention to sound too high
and mighty.
>
> A part of that electron theory are dynamos and their operation, and yes,
I know that the stator is never in contact with the magnet, except in cases
where there are brushes in ac dynamos. Anyway...
>
> The electrons transfer from one atom to another in the coil, eventually
into the atoms of the load, and then back into the atoms of the coil. Yes,
a closed loop. The heat that is dissipated is from the kinetic energy that
is transformed into heat energy when those electrons collide into each
other. Photons are an emission that produce light, not heat. Just for the
sake of explanation, electrons emit those photons when they release the
energy that they accumulated moving from a lower energy level to a higher
energy level and back. Also, calling electrons, charged electrons, is kind
of funky... I mean, electrons are negative and don't change.
>
> I see your bias against traditional schooling, but when I try to consider
your contentions, it just doesn't jive with what has been taught to all
scientists and engineers from ampere, volta, maxwell, and all those other
people.
>
> As far as I can tell, the only electronic devices you're familiar with
are generators, conductors and maybe even transformers. My exposure to
other electronic devices like semiconductors, vacuum tubes, and the like
just doesn't explain how your contention could explain how a capacitor
stores energy in an electric field, or how an inductor stores energy in a
magnetic field. It also wouldn't explain how antennas can transmit and
recieve electro-magnetic waves through their electric fields. They may be
just generators, but the same laws apply to all electronic devices, be they
gaseous, solid, liquid, vacuum or plasma.
>
> I find Hexlinger's explanation far simpler than mine. Sorry... but I'd
rather we agree that we disagree than go any furhter. Hey, I like that...
hehehe... "born at night, but not last night..." HAHA!!
>
> Dino- @}
>
> At 07:23 PM 5/19/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hello Dino! I must reply...the devil is in me now. To start with you try
to
> >correct my
> >thoughts, I believe thinking that you think I have never been schooled
in
> >electrical theory? Boy are you wrong... To start with if I didnt know
> >anything about electrical
> >theory why would I try a different approach? I know about all these
things
> >that you
> >say, but being a certified electrician and technician on generators for
> >years, I get
> >a gut feeling for whats going on. You engineer's have been schooled
> >thinking you
> >got it all figuired out by "WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TAUGHT". Question #1..
have
> >you ever been involved in hands on repair on a generator? If you have,
you
> >should
> >know that a magnet turning in a stator has no contact with the stator.
You
> >say that
> >the electrons are brought back to the coil. Now correct me if im wrong,
but
> >electrical
> >theory says the electrons dissapate heat in the load emitting photons
in
> >all
> >directions. So your saying we have a closed loop so to speak. So.. if we
> >do, the
> >charged electrons must push the negative electrons back to the area of
the
> >stator.
> >I just have trouble with that Dino. And please... a battery is not a
> >electron pump.
> >Now maybe I did not explain it right about atoms running around looking
for
> >electrons. What I meant is if electrons are leaving the atoms orbit and
> >moving on to
> >carry a charge to a load, plus they are losing their charge in the load,
> >What drives
> >them back to the stator? If you think about this and work with this
hands
> >on.. you'll
> >see things from a different perspective. I think on of the most
important
> >things I have read is what Alex Graham Bell said. Get off the same path
> >every now and then and go through the woods. Dina, I dont mean to be
rude,
> >I really dont. And if I have.. I apoligize. I appreciate your comments
and
> >hope to get them again. But remember..
> >I was born at night.. but not last night. Regards, Robert H. Calloway
>
>
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