Re: Electrical verses magnetic fields

Hexslinger ( hexslngr@internet-frontier.net )
Mon, 18 May 1998 22:28:06 -0700 (PDT)

On Mon, 18 May 1998, Robert Calloway wrote:

> Hello All, I've always believed magnetic and electrical fields were one
> in the same.
> I'm not here to try to change the views of most people on that issue but...
> Lets dicuss
> it! So.. lets go all the way back to making electricty with a magnetic
> field.
> A magnet is turning inside a coil of wire, so call electrons are bumping
> along in the
> wire carrying a electrical charge to a load. Number 1 question. How are
> electrons
> being replaced in the coil after the others have left to a load? If
> electrons are being
> replaced from the aether, you should have noticeable effects around large
> generators.

Electrons never enter or leave the circuit - this is the most common
misconception in all 'electronics', and I think we have our poor
educational system to blame for it. Electrons merely act as the medium to
pass CHARGE (energy). Energy is the only thing moving in the circuit.
A potential difference is created in a circuit (a surplus or deficit of
charge) - causing charge to flow to fill in the gap, in a complete
circuit. [Incidentally, this also answers the 'big question' that plagues
so many electricians that obviously never paid attention --- current flows
in a complete circuit. It doese not flow as a stream of electrons, or as a
stream of holes flowing backwards - it does so as both. Complete circuit.]

> Question number 2. The electrons are so called "charged" with this
> explanation, what
> happened to their charge when the load was disconnected and the magnet
> stops?

When the load disconnects, there is no deficit for charge to flow into -
consequently, the charge stops flowing (unless there is another path it
can conduct thru - in which case - it will flow thru that path).

> Atoms are no different since everything is made up of them. I believe
> copper atoms
> are actually "offended" by a moving magnetic field. The magnet being a
> superimposed
> electrical field offends these atoms causing their electrons and protons to
> go "Out of
> balance" around their orbit of the nucleus. The nucleus reacts by putting

When copper, or any conductor for that matter, is exposed to a 'magnetic
field' (charge) - it causes a disturbance within the conductor. The
balance of charge is lost, and thus, current must flow in order to
re-establish that balance (equilibrium). That make sense to you?

> Heating in the
> wire would be caused by the out of balanced state of the atom. One might
> ask about
> other conductors? Take silver for exsample, it would carry potential in the

Heating is something that I cannot explain --- since then we're getting
into the actual structure of the material itself. I'm sure that Keely has
an answer that explains heat, but I'm not the resident Keely advocate
(psst - Jerry! That's your cue! You're on!).

> Dont roll over yet Mike Faraday....these are just thoughts. Any takers??

Heh. It's a miracle anybody remembers Faraday - or Tesla for that matter.
It seems that today the attitude of the establishment is:
"The heyday of garage-invention and innovation is over - leave it to the
'experts' (that's us establishment types)."
They seem to forget that it was wide-eyed dreamers that BEGAN the art of
science. Ungrateful bastards they are.