Review of Dennis Lee's ITEC BWT UCSA Free Energy revival show in Mansfield

More info is found from: Eric's Page examining Dennis Lee's amazing claims of Better World Technology

Got into the Mansfield show and so did the press.  I have several things to report from the show.
Mostly what Dennis said in synopsis form ( very long):

- about 250-300 people attended (many got a copy of my handout outside)
- Dielectricity Demonstration:
     + Says that transfer through the air is 99.9% efficient, yet when he stood at a distance from the
source, the lamp was dimmer than when he touched the source.
     + Says no EMF with this device!
- Stated repeatedly "I am not going to give you a demonstration of a free energy machine" being
extremely careful with his wording.
- Used the "magnet on the refrigerator is a magic source of energy" fallacy.
- Says there is a "flow of energy" between the magnet and the fridge.
- Says he is a Vietnam vet - does anyone know if that's true?
- Constantly used the term "Peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich" to describe a free-energy device
without saying free energy device.
- Counter Rotational Device:
     + Showed the mini-CRD before and after the magic dust was placed on it.  It had a brake using
some type of belt to apply torque.  His conclusion was that since the torque on the brake was the
same, and the rpm was 2x (making great pains to step through the calculations for the people who
did not know about algebra) then the CRD was 2x over unity.
     + Said that he did not believe in over-unity and he never showed an over-unity device (seems like
a direct contradiction - but you have to have Dennis's genius to understand it).  If this is true then
his dream for free-energy is not attainable.
     + Wanted to ask a question about the friction material used since many dynamic coefficients of
friction for certain materials drastically reduce with increased rpm which could account for the effect
(or maybe something was tightened under the table),  Unfortunately I was not allowed to ask
questions ( I may still get this info) since dissenters and nay-sayers are not welcome to ask questions
or see the equipment up-close (they may sabotage the stuff).
- Professors are brainwashing students with their hair-brained scientific theories which are stifling
innovation.
- Public officials are conspiring to take Dennis out and they better watch out because Dennis has the
power to take out the economy in one swoop with this free energy stuff so they just better behave -
or else.
- Neutrino Man Demo: This may be the next free energy device for 2000???
- Dennis is on a mission from God and he claims he is a prophet from God in so many words.
- Developed a heat pump in 1988 that is 3x more efficient than any other.
- Has 7 ways to create free energy - those big scientist guys don't have one!
- "Is there one person out there that doesn't want free energy for 275.00?"  He asks a question but
he doesn't say he can do it - pretty slick.  This stuff permeated the entire 1/2 of the show - like "I
believe I can build a free-energy machine"... "I think I can make a peanut butter and jelly
sandwich"... " By the end of the year I believe I can put a free energy machine on everyone's house"
etc.
- The plan he is about to offer is not from Dennis Lee, it's from God - so don't blame Dennis if it
doesn't work.
- If we lived in a free country, Dennis could charge 5K for the machines, make them for 3K and
everyone would be happy - but noooo - that would be too easy and besides, they would have to work
or those mean gov't officials may get nasty.  So the only thing to do is give the machines away -
that way the attorney generals can't get Dennis with the goods. (have to start getting indigestion
after eating this stuff).
- The Plan
     + God gave Dennis this plan see - and just forget that he has an investor who will invest 1 Billion
in free-energy devices - this is God's plan.
     + We need the people to get involved - after all it would be much too easy to just make a
machine and start making electricity - then take the 200,000 dollars from one year's electricity and
build more etc.  No, that would mean that Dennis would get rich and he wouldn't want that because
then he would change and become a conspirator (all the big guys are you know).
     + Compares himself to Noah and says that anybody was welcome to get on the ark - funny I
don't remember God RSVPing anybody but Noah and his families.
     + Goes through the coop thing.
- As his sales pitch starts, many of the people start to leave - Dennis hurries the hand-out of COBI
info before they leave.
- Sanyo corporation is a dealer for BWT (could we check this out??)
- Call your friends and pack the demonstrations
- We don't sell dealerships - buuuut we do have several people who want to sell theirs (does this
make sense since they are about to be millionaires?).  The guy he called Marc is the same guy that
talked to me at the Akron show - pretty smooth sales guy.  Several people - 4-5 - went to talk with
Marc and later Dennis in another room (no doubt to get the full blast sales pitch for the unavailable
dealerships).  It seems as if the whole event was concocted to distill the crowd down to these poor
folks who would then get the full blast sales effort for the big money.
- Y2K lamp was getting dim after about 2 hours.
- Dennis says that they de-regulated the power companies because he demonstrated to the congress
at Washington in 1996.
- He sells millions of dollars in Brown's Gas machines.
- His plan for installation of the units will occur all at one time (to thwart the Attorneys General)
but - no one knows the place or the time (just like Jesus according to Dennis).

    Got to discuss some of the stuff (smelly stuff) from the show and what I thought of it.

Dave G.
 

reply to:  HeisLORD@neobright.net
We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but  not in despair; persecuted,
but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed;  Always bearing about in the body the dying of the
Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.  2 Corinthians 4:8-10


Review of Show in Yakima Washington

Eric'

Had a pleasant trip to Yakima yesterday from my home in Kent,WA.

Arrived in Yakima about 5:15 PM. Had a decent dinner and then found the
Capital Theater by 6:00 PM.  I found a good parking spot and was able to see
D. Lee and company arrive at approx. 6:00 or so in their van and observed
them unloading equipment.

By 6:20 there were about twenty people at or near the doors to the theater.
At that time I walked down the sidewalk with my "flyer" in hand. The first
two people I approached had been parked very near the front door to the
theater for some time and I asked the passenger if they were going to attend
"the show." The passenger said "yes" and I handed out the first two copies of
my flyer.

After that I approached everyone I could reach and was handing out my "flyer"
to almost everyone near the entrance to the theater. This was on the sidewalk
immediately in front of the theater and I was a bit apprehensive about what
might happen from then on.

Just before the doors opened at 6:30 PM a reporter from the Yakima Herald
newspaper introduced himself to me and proceeded to interview me and a
photographer started to take pictures.

At that time people who had gone on by, while was talking to the reporter,
had started to come back to where I was standing and asked for a copy of my
"flyer."

When asked if I was going to attend the "show,' I said that I doubted that I
would be allowed to attend. Shortly thereafter a couple who had entered came
out and said "they said you can come on in!" For some unexplainable reason I
had "bad vibes" about going on in for the "show." I then said "No thank you,
I'd rather not." So I didn't attend.

A young man (about 20 yrs. old or so, maybe early twenties) approached me and
asked if I had seen the "demonstration" and asked me why I didn't believe in
what was to be presented without having seen the "show." I told him that I
didn't need to see the "show" that I was convinced that D. Lee's "free
energy" machine was not feasible, or words to that effect.

During my time in front of the theater I was not asked to leave, nor was I
harassed or bothered by any of D. Lee's people. I say that they played it
very "low profile."

One guy who wouldn't identify himself  said he was a visitor in Philadelphia
last year and was very much against the current D. Lee "free energy"
promotion.

Only one (actually man & woman) refused a copy of my handout last night.

My estimate of  people attending last nights "show" would be in the
neighborhood of
100 to 125 entrants. Not a great response from Dennis Lee's home town!

My error on spelling Eric Krieg's last name as "Kreig" might have been a plus
as quite a few  people noticed my penned in correction above Eric's name!

At approx. 6:45 PM there were no more people dwindling in and I called it a
night and headed for home!

I sincerely hope that my efforts in Yakima will have saved some of the hard
working farmers/would be investors some of their hard earned cash.I plan to
be in Tacoma tomorrow night for D. Lee's show there and might have a new
"flyer" to hand out.

Wish Me Luck,
Wally



The following is a copy of the story:
Officials Give Warnings About
                                  Yakima Native's 'Invention'
 

                              Published in the Herald-Republic on Friday,
                              October 15, 1999
 

                              By JEREMY MEYER

                              YAKIMA HERALD-REPUBLIC

                              Dennis Lee could be seen as the prodigal son
                              making his hometown return with promises of free
                              electricity to everyone.

                              But consumer-protection agencies throughout the
                              state say beware. They see Lee as a trickster and
                              an ex-felon who will spin a web of lies upon a
                              Capitol Theatre audience Saturday night in search
                              of money for a bogus invention.

                              The free show, which begins at 7 p.m., is called a
                              "Y2K Expo" and is being put on by Lee's
                              International Tesla Electric Co. The seminar will
                              tout a free energy machine called a
                              counter-rotational device that allegedly doubles
                              the amount of power that goes into it. In past
                              shows on his national tour, Lee hasn't
                              demonstrated the machine or actually sold one.
                              The 53-year-old Yakima native says if he loosens
                              his grip on the machine, people will use its
                              technology to stop him.

                              The heart of Lee's show, say his critics, is
                              conspiracy and preying on the fears of Y2K. The
                              three-hour performance, according to news
                              reports, will try to appeal to audiences along
                              religious and patriotic lines, inspiring allegiance
                              through fear of government and big business and
                              by ridiculing scientific and educated thought.

                              Lee claims his critics are part of the conspiracy. He
                              says his views have placed him in jail and have led
                              the CIA to investigate him. He also claims there
                              have been three attempts on his life.

                              Finally, he'll ask for money. Lee says people can
                              receive a "free energy machine" with a one-time
                              contribution of $275 to his company. The money
                              will pay for development and construction, and
                              people may "possibly get a free electricity
                              machine."

                              He'll sell a $50 kit containing videos and a book he
                              wrote that explains his free electricity idea. Lee
                              also will accept thousands of dollars from people
                              who want to buy dealerships.

                              Through the Internet, Lee's companies, ITEC,
                              Better World Technologies and United Community
                              Service of America, also hawk detergentless
                              laundry balls, noiseless jackhammers and a
                              special sound system and spray that when
                              combined will make plants and vegetables grow to
                              astounding heights and produce enormous
                              harvests. His companies' Web sites are
                              www.ucsofa.com and
                              www.teslaelectriccompany.com.

                              Lee could not be reached for comment despite
                              numerous attempts through his New Jersey office.
                              On Wednesday, he put on a show in Billings,
                              Mont., and he'll put one on in Idaho tonight.

                              Under Investigation

                              Lee claims to be an inventor, and in 1996 he was
                              honored by the Atlanta-based International
                              Inventor's Hall of Fame for theories, but not for
                              actual inventions. The U.S. Patent Office has no
                              record of any patent owned by Lee.

                              For the Yakima show, several agencies are
                              warning consumers to understand the facts before
                              spending any money. Yakima's police department,
                              the Better Business Bureau and the state Attorney
                              General's Office are interested in the veracity of
                              Lee's claims.

                              "We want to make sure that there's no deception
                              being used in whatever he's offering," said Janice
                              Marich, spokeswoman with the Attorney General's
                              Office. "We will be in the audience."

                              It isn't the first time the state's AG office has
                              investigated Lee.

                              In the mid-1980s, the state sued Lee and his
                              company for illegally marketing a solar-powered
                              refrigeration system called "The Alternative." The
                              suit claims Lee and his company, C.O.N.S.E.R.V.E.
                              Corp., sold 300 of the units but never installed
                              one. Marich said Lee never paid the $7,000 in
                              costs and fees from the court's judgment.

                              After the Washington suit, Lee apparently moved
                              his company to California, where he sold $5 million
                              worth of kits for a heat pump that cost
                              $2,000-$5,000 apiece. However, his illegal sales
                              practices and mismanagement landed him in
                              prison.

                              He pleaded guilty to seven felonies, including
                              grand theft, and was sentenced to 40 months in
                              prison. He served two years.

                              According to Bob Meyers, supervising attorney
                              with the major fraud unit in the Ventura County
                              (Calif.) District Attorney's Office, Lee claimed the
                              heat pump would provide free air conditioning,
                              heating and electricity with no operating costs.

                              On his Web site, though, Lee claims he was
                              imprisoned for a civil-code registration violation
                              and that he has never had a trial or been
                              convicted of the offense.

                              Meyers said that's false. So does the Ventura
                              County Star newspaper, which ran articles about
                              his 1988 trial.

                              Meyers said he was astounded that Lee plans to
                              return to California, where his show will tour after
                              appearances in Washington and Oregon.

                              "It's just amazing that he can keep doing the same
                              thing over and over again," he said.

                              Something for Nothing?

                              Lee's current show is centered on the
                              counter-rotational machine, which is supposed to
                              provide double the energy that goes into it.

                              Here's how it reportedly works:

                              Three 12-volt batteries power four motors held
                              inside a metal contraption, which is about the size
                              of a washing machine.

                              The motors spin an internal disc assembly at about
                              1,400 rpm at its peak, which Lee says produces
                              more power than is consumed.

                              Not possible, said Roger Yu, professor and
                              chairman of Central Washington University's
                              physics department. He said it is the First Law of
                              Thermodynamics that disproves Lee's boast. That
                              theory states: "The total energy of an isolated
                              system is constant."

                              In other words, energy output will never exceed the
                              input, Yu said.

                              "It's one of the main tenants of physics," Yu said.
                              "It is only possible to change the form of energy,
                              but you can't increase the energy. It's just common
                              sense."

                              The man who claims to have built Lee's "free
                              energy machine," Jim Murray of New Jersey, said it
                              doesn't work like Lee says it does.

                              "He's using something that I designed, the
                              counter-rotational device, which is really absurd
                              because nothing goes counter rotational," said
                              Murray, who worked as an engineer for Lee for
                              four years before quitting in July.

                              "The model that we built for Dennis tested out at
                              20 percent efficiency," Murray said, not more than
                              200 percent as Lee boasts. In other words, when
                              the machine is in operation, it gobbles up 80
                              percent of the energy powering it.

                              "He's got the inverse Midas touch," Murray said
                              about Lee. "You give him a bar of gold; he'll hand
                              you a bucket of manure."

                              Murray quit when Lee asked him to recalibrate the
                              machine's measuring gauges so they would give
                              false readings.

                              "I flatly refused and resigned that day," he said.
                              "I'm not going to prostitute myself for a lousy
                              weekly salary."

                              Murray said he was suspicious of Lee's claims but
                              never saw it firsthand until Lee asked him to rig the
                              machine.

                              "He's out there scamming people left and right," he
                              said. "He targets older couples who have a few
                              bucks put away who are fundamentalist Christians.

                              "He refers to himself as God's anointed one. Now
                              that takes a lot of brass. The only way I'd like to
                              see him anointed is with a big club."

                              Just Pipe Dreams?

                              Charles Doyle of Goldendale once believed Lee's
                              boasts. He paid $5,000 for a dealership after
                              hearing Lee on a Portland radio station in 1996.
                              Doyle ended up touring with Lee and worked for
                              him in New Jersey for a year.

                              "I guess I was one of the fools," Doyle said. "I
                              finally realized his business ideas were all pipe
                              dreams. I hung around because I thought maybe
                              free energy was real. I wanted it to be real. I was
                              living with the people who thought it was real. It's
                              basically a cult. Either you believe or you're out."

                              Doyle, 36, quit last year. He didn't sell any
                              equipment and finally sold his dealership to a
                              friend in exchange for a tuneup on his 1987
                              Subaru.

                              "That's how much I thought it was worth," he said.
                              "The products will never ever be worth anything."

                              Eric Krieg of Philadelphia has been following Lee's
                              claims from across the country. Krieg, an electrical
                              engineer and president of the Philadelphia
                              Skeptics Club, says he wants people to know that
                              Lee has bilked people out of millions. He has a
                              Web page that counters Lee's claims
                              (www.phact.org/e).

                              "The most pathetic cases are the ones that got
                              their whole churches to invest, their family and
                              friends," said Krieg, who urges people to believe
                              the 152-year-old First Law of Thermodynamics,
                              not the boasts of a 53-year-old businessman.

                              "Lee can break the laws of the land," he said, "but
                              not the laws of nature."
 
 

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New Mexico Skeptics review of Dennis's 1999 show
 
 



F R E E   E L E C T R I C I T Y ?
A Special Projects Report
by Harry Murphy and Dave Thomas
First published in NMSR Reports, November 1999, Vol. 5, No. 11.


 










        "Tired of High Electric Bills ...How About NO Electric Bills? This
Machine May Give You FREE Electricity For the Rest Of Your Life ..."
        Sounds too good to be true? It is.  It's just Dennis Lee's pitch to
the suckers at the Albuquerque Convention Center the evening of October
28th.  We estimate that there were about 200 people in the audience.  This
show was one of a 45-city nationwide tour, ending in Philadelphia on
November 10th.
        Lee was last in Albuquerque in February, 1996, when he was pushing
a another "free energy" machine, the "Fisher Engine."  See NMSR Reports,
Vol.  2, No.  3 (March, 1996).
        Once again, Lee, who claims to be the Director of Research for
Better World Technologies, dominated the show, speaking nonstop from a
wide, raised platform cluttered with his demonstration equipment.  He
talked from 7:00 pm to after 10:30, allowing questions up till 11:00 pm.
Although there were hand-lettered signs saying "No video cameras" on the
Convention Center doors, Lee allowed a camera from a local TV station to
film his presentation, but said that he wouldn't give an interview.  And he
asked the audience to hold their questions until the end of the show.
        Early in his talk, Lee said, "The primary thing tonight, probably
of interest to you, will be that literally every person in this room will
have the opportunity tonight to be able to sign up to disconnect from the
electric utility grid and never pay an electric bill again as long as you
live. ... I'll show you tonight we'll give you a unit that we are proposing
for use on your house that will give the power -- 100% of your energy. ...
Tonight we're also going to show you we can run car engines, truck engines,
any internal combustion engine, on water. ..."
        Lee mixes religion with his pitch, referring to God as the
"Chairman of the Board of our Company," claiming that under God "all things
are possible," and even offering a prayer for wisdom and to put the words
in his mouth that "You would have me speak to Your people."
        Lee says he doesn't like the word "impossible."  He says that, if
you go to a physicist and say that you've got a free energy machine, the
physicist will say, "That's impossible," because, as far as what he knows,
that is impossible.  Lee said, "I have to admit to you right now that I
have never witnessed a free energy machine in my entire life. ... I have
never witnessed a free electricity machine in my entire live.  I have never
built one.  I don't know if I ever will build one, but in pure physics
terms, I have never witnessed such a thing. ... According to the
conservation laws, free energy using physical terms, in physics, seems to
be pretty impossible."
        Despite this seeming disclaimer, Lee went on to talk of free energy
sources, such as wind and solar energy.
        In his talk, Lee says that scientists have a lousy track record in
determining what's impossible; for example, "heavier than air flight is
impossible." Lee claims that the Wright brothers were flying for five years
before scientists witnessed it.  And he says that they couldn't get
reporters to come to their flights and "so what they did was they went
downtown and they flew about the second floor level where the newspaper
staff worked -- the second floor of the building.  So they just flew right
alongside of the window on the second floor of the building.  Now the
reporters would cover the story.  [But] the newspaper reporters got up and
pulled the shades down."
        Lee claims that, for five years, ordinary people wrote to the
President of the United States, Teddy Roosevelt, telling him that the
Wright brothers were flying heavier than air machines until Roosevelt
ordered scientists to go down and witness the flights.
        The moral of Lee's fantasy is that the common people have more
common sense than highbrowed scientists and that -- just because scientists
say that something is impossible -- it might be possible after all.  And,
sadly, many in Lee's audience believed every word.
        Lee says that, when he talks of "Free Energy", he means energy that
you do not have to pay for, such as photovoltaic cells and wind machines.
        Lee went on to extoll the virtues of "burning water."  First, one
extracts the hydrogen and oxygen from the water by electrolysis, making a
"Brown's Gas" which consists of two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen, and
then you can use this gas as fuel for an internal combustion engine, or as
fuel for a cutting torch.  And, of course, the combustion product is water,
just like the water you started with.  Lee claims that this gas mixture is
economical to make and the least expensive gas that you can buy.  He
asserts that, using this gas, you can cut through three-inch thick steel
for a full hour using only seventeen cents worth of gas.
        Lee also describes another miraculous property of this gas; when
used in a torch to cut metal, it stabilizes at a temperature equal to the
melting point of the metal.  First, he applies his torch to a block of
aluminum and shows water dripping from it.  Then he applies his torch to a
rod which he claims is tungsten, and the rod glows with a bright white
light.  Lee says that tungsten sublimates at 13,000 degrees F, the
temperature of the surface of the sun, and that the fumes apparent from the
glowing wire show the tungsten sublimating. (Tungsten's boiling point is
only 10,700 deg. F.)
        And to top off the amazing power of this gas mixture, Lee asserts
"Believe it or not, this gas can also be used to transmutate [sic] the
nucleus of an atom.  That means that we could literally take all of your
atomic waste and we could neutralize it."
        In another demonstration, Lee holds up what he claims to be a
1-horsepower AC electric motor with a light cardboard disk attached to the
shaft.  He makes some connections and the disk starts rotating.  He then
shows the power source -- an ordinary nine-volt battery, like those used to
power transistor radios and similar small electronics.  His clear
implication is that, since the shaft was turning, he gets one horsepower
from a nine-volt battery!
        Lee goes on and on, demonstrating a "brain for motors"; a "Y2K
Lamp" which, using an internal battery, gives the light of a 60 Watt light
using only 13 Watts of power for eight hours [i.e. an ordinary fluorescent
lamp]; and an LED flashlight which he claims runs for 470 hours.  All of
these wonders are relatively conventional devices.
        Lee then talks about the Y2K threat and the fact that the National
Guard might be called out in the event of major power disruptions, which he
says would actually be deliberate power failures.  The real purpose, he
says, would be to confiscate your guns!  He then goes on to endorse the
right to bear arms and says that, if the people can outgun the military,
then they would be safe from such conspiracies.  He asks if we know that a
representative from General Electric serves on the Board of Directors of
EVERY electric company?
        Lee calls Nicola Tesla the "greatest scientist who ever drew
breath" and claims that Tesla patented radio before Marconi demonstrated
it.  He says that Tesla invented "di-electricity", the exact opposite of
normal electricity.  Lee asserts that while normal electricity is carried
by wires and creates EMF (which he calls "electromagnetic frequencies"),
di-electricity travels through insulators, such as air, and generates no
EMF at all! Lee says, "As a matter of fact, there is no instrument made by
man that can measure the passage of di-electricity through the air." He
claims that, about 100 years ago, Tesla talked with J.P.Morgan about
transmitting electricity utilizing the "positively charged ionosphere"!
        After demonstrating that a Tesla coil can light a fluorescent lamp
with only one wire connected to the lamp [his body providing the necessary
capacitive ground], Lee asserts, "By the way, did you know that Nicola
Tesla passed live electricity from Colorado Springs, Colorado, one hundred
years ago he sent electricity twenty-six miles to a little patch out in the
ground twenty-six miles away -- just stuck in the ground, no wires
whatsoever, and he sent live electricity twenty-six miles.  Do you know how
efficient it was? Ninety-nine point nine percent efficient! ...  Now, I
have a challenge for any electric company, or any of you who work for an
electric utility company: if you can take a wire today -- whatever wire you
want to use -- and you can take 2,000 kilowatts of electricity twenty-six
miles, and you can get 99.9 percent of it there, over that wire, I'll give
you $10,000 cash.  My money's safe, because you can't do it. ..."
        Lee goes on to call gravity a "free energy source."  He then
displays a small permanent magnet and says, "I now set it on a piece of
metal and it no longer responds to gravity, it still has weight, mass and
volume, but what is happening now is we're getting a flow of energy -- a
flow of energy is flowing through this magnet to this metal and so it is
constantly flowing this energy and constantly being replaced.  It never
runs out.  It will last forever. ... there's no charge for this at all --
it's free energy. ...  For this source of energy is readily available
everywhere, all the time, constantly working, continually replacing itself
and it never, ever ever, gives out.  And it doesn't cost anybody a dime.
..."
        Lee then performs the most entertaining stunt of the evening when
he drops his little magnet vertically down a thick aluminum tube and
observes that it takes about four seconds for the magnet to pass through
the approximately 18 inch long tube.  He then repeats the stunt with a
copper tube and it takes about six seconds for the magnet to clear the
tube.  Of course, there is no mystery here; the falling magnet induces a
current in the tube which, in turn, generates a magnetic field which
retards the falling magnet.
        Lee then claims that he has achieved superconductivity at room
temperature and shows a video clip of a magnet floating on a magnetic field
-- essentially the same kind of toy one can buy from novelty stores or from
Edmund Scientific.  Nothing is shown which demonstrates that the supporting
magnetic field has anything to do with superconductivity.
        Lee says, "unfortunately for us, we don't live in a free
society....In 1988, I proved that I could make an energy machine that takes
energy out of the air and makes electricity for free.  I did that in 1988."
He says that he called a public meeting for some 600 people to demonstrate
his machine, but the sheriff arrested him for fraud and hauled away all his
equipment.  He then asserts that, in 1989, he proved in a court of law that
he could generate electricity for free and he claims that some twenty-seven
witnesses were coerced by the sheriff not to testify on Lee's behalf.  He
claims that all the criminal fraud charges against him were dismissed.
        Despite Lee's assertions, the Yakima (Washington) "Herald-Republic"
reported in an October 15, 1999 article:

"In the mid-1980s, the state [Washington] sued Lee and his company for
illegally marketing a solar-powered refrigeration system called "The
Alternative." The suit claims Lee and his company, C.O.N.S.E.R.V.E.  Corp.,
sold 300 of the units but never installed one.  Marich said Lee never paid
the $7,000 in costs and fees from the court's judgment.
After the Washington suit, Lee apparently moved his company to California,
where he sold $5 million worth of kits for a heat pump that cost
$2,000-$5,000 apiece.  However, his illegal sales practices and
mismanagement landed him in prison.
He pleaded guilty to seven felonies, including grand theft, and was
sentenced to 40 months in prison.  He served two years.
According to Bob Meyers, supervising attorney with the major fraud unit in
the Ventura County (Calif.) District Attorney's Office, Lee claimed the
heat pump would provide free air conditioning, heating and electricity with
no operating costs."

        Lee is now understandably cautious about claiming that he has a
free energy machine and he now coyly says, "So tonight, I'm going to
demonstrate for you my peanut butter and I'm going to demonstrate to you my
jelly.  So how am I going to demonstrate peanut butter and jelly tonight?
... So tonight I'm going to show you my peanut butter; and tonight I'm
going to show you my jelly.  And after I show you my peanut butter and my
jelly, then you can determine whether or not you think I should put these
two components together and make you a free electricity machine. ... The
next time you see me will be on your lawn, installing a peanut butter and
jelly sandwich on your lawn. ... This is it.  The next time will be free
electricity time in your house and your house will be disconnected from the
grid. ..."
        Lee states his "Fourth Law of Motion":  "For every action, there is
a reaction which can be fed back into the action."
        He then introduces the basis of his free electricity claims, the
counter-rotation machine.  This appears to include an electric motor in
which the rotor turns as is normal, but the stator is also allowed to
rotate, in the opposite direction.  Before he demonstrates his large
counter-rotation device, however, Lee demonstrates a scaled-down version in
such a way as to make it appear that the output power is doubled for free.
Lee operates the small machine in "normal" mode (with the stator unable
to counter-rotate), and reports the following measurements (made earlier at
his "lab"): input voltage = 13V, input current = 15.5A, input power (=
13V*15.5A) = 201 Watts, Torque = 6 inch-Lb, and speed = 219 RPM.  (For this
setup, the output power is energy/time = torque * angular speed; for torque
in inch-pounds, and speed in rpm, power in watts is given by
0.0118*torque*speed.  Here, the output power is 0.0118* 6 inch-lb*219 rpm =
15.6 Watts, much less than the 201 Watts of Input Power.)  Lee then unlocks
the stator, allowing it to counter-rotate, and reports the following
measurements: input voltage = 14V, input current = 12A, input power (=
14V*12A) = 168 Watts, Torque =7.5 inch-Lb, and speed = 438 RPM.  (For this
setup, the output power is 0.0118* 7.5 inch-lb* 438 rpm = 38.8 Watts, again
much less than the 168 Watts of Input Power.)  Assuming that the difference
in RPM corresponds to a difference in output power, the machine appears to
be producing more than twice the power for a slightly lower input power.
It's true that the output power in the "counter-rotation" configuration,
38.8 Watts, is two-and-one-half times larger than the output power in the
"normal" configuration, 15.6 Watts.  Lee was careful not to mention the
actual output powers (15.6 Watts, 38.8 Watts).  Rather, he focused on how
his counter-rotation setup doubled the power for "free."  But the actual
physics of this "phenomenon" is painfully obvious.  The efficiency of the
motor in the "normal" configuration is output/input power, i.e. 15.6 Watts/
201 Watts = 7.7%, while the efficiency of the motor in the
"counter-rotation" configuration is 38.8 Watts/ 168 Watts =23.1%.  Lee has
made an extremely inefficient motor more than twice as efficient as before;
but it's still a very inefficient motor.  Lee is not making "free
electricity" -- at best, his device loses less power in one configuration
than in another.  Lee goes on to demonstrate a large (four-foot tall)
counter-rotation machine, but for this one, he mentions neither torque nor
output power, and again concludes that doubling of the rpm's at similar
input powers is the result of harvesting "free" energy.
 

        Lee says that it's not unusual for a motor to be 75 percent
efficient.  If he couples that motor into his counter-rotating device, then
he claims that it will be 150 percent efficient, in effect its output power
will be greater than its input power!  Lee calls this his "peanut butter."
        Lee then introduces his "jelly" -- a DC motor which he claims is
"the most efficient electric motor that has ever been built since the dawn
of civilization."  It's a small motor powered by a battery which produces
94 Volts and generates 10 horsepower.  Lee connects leads from the motor to
an oscilloscope and shows spikes on the oscilloscope display which he
claims indicates AC power flowing back into the battery.  (Actually, it's
far more likely that what Lee is seeing are inductive voltage spikes
resulting from the motor's commutator action.)  The motor is connected to a
dynamometer which measures 3.1 HP (2313 Watts).  The input power is 5.68
Amperes at 94 Volts or 534 Watts.  This corresponds to an efficiency of
431% -- clearly, something is wrong!
        Assuming that the voltage is approximately 94 Volts, then either
the current reading or the dynamometer readings are wrong.  Independent
measurements made at the October 19th show in Portland, Oregon, showed
input power of 2,576 Watts (26.4A x 96V + 3.2A x 12V) for an output power
of 2.2 HP (1,641 Watts) corresponding to an efficiency of 64%.  This result
suggests that the input current reading of 5.68 Amperes, based on the
voltage drop across a 0.001 Ohm shunt, is probably wrong.
        But Lee says, "If you've got one unit of energy going in, you got
four units of energy going out, how is that possible? Well, that is NOT
possible."  "However," Lee says, "what if you had five units and four units
of energy going out, one of those five units of energy was the power from
the battery and the other four units were coming from this baby right here.
This is a permanent magnet motor. ... We exploited the power that is
sitting right there in permanent magnets all the time. ... The power, of
course, is coming from God, from the electromagnetic force field of the
earth which is unlimited in its potential. ... And, of course, there's no
charge for it at all."  So Lee proposes taking one unit of power from the
output and using it for the input while using the remainder of the output
power to generate electricity.  In effect, he's proposing a perpetual
motion machine with available output power!
        Then Lee says, "I am not representing this as a free electricity
machine.  This is not a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.  I can't make you
a free electricity machine. ... It is not being represented as a free
electricity machine; we show you what one is going to look like when we do
put that under your house."
        Lee asserts that his machine can generate 50 Kilowatts of power
"all day, all night, all decade, all the rest of your life.  Fifty
Kilowatts every hour all night long, all day long." This is far in excess
of the typical household power needs, and so Lee says, "So maybe you want
to be a good neighbor; you put this one on your lawn, you have a wire to
the neighbor to the left of you, you have a wire to the neighbor to the
right of you, you run a wire to the neighbor behind you, you run a wire to
the neighbor in front of you, and you just give some other good people in
the neighborhood some power as well.  Now, if you want to do that, as long
as you don't tell me anything about it, go ahead and do it.  I don't care
what you do with it. ... When I install this unit on your house, I will
never ever ever for the rest of your life come by and poke my nose in your
business and read your stupid meter.  This means that I will never ever
ever send you an electric bill, because you won't get a bill.  Bills are a
thing of the past; you won't have electric bills."
        Lee says that he will have a 20-year battery by next year and,
"I'll put that one into your car.  I'll put some cells into the gas meter
[?] of your car.  You'll be running down the road, you get in at night, you
plug your electric battery into this unit and it charges the battery at
night while you're asleep.  And you get up in the morning and you take your
water hose, fill up your tank....And then you just turn that thing on and
you can drive 400 miles absolutely free using your free electricity machine
and water gas."
        Lee says that you can use your Electric Utility Company as backup,
just pull a switch down to switch to Utility power and call International
Tesla Electric Co.  (Lee's company) to service your electric machine --
free! And ITEC will reimburse you for the power you use from the Electric
Utility, too!
        How much will this cost you? Only $275, even though Lee claims that
the machine costs him $3,000.
        Lee claims that he has a commitment of "well over one billion
dollars" from his financial backers.  He says, "I am a Christian....My God
said before I go revolutionizing the electric industry, to go around to all
of you and give you the chance to get set free of the grid.  Once I circle
the whole United States of America and I've landed back on my end, who ever
wanted to be free of the grid will be free of the grid; whoever doesn't
it's perfectly OK -- they'll have to get free of the grid, 'cause I'll need
a lot of customers to sell electricity to after that anyway.  So, this is a
offer that is coming to you from God, and I'm going to [tell] you exactly
how it works....He [God] said, `go find fifty people who want to be set
free of the grid and every fifty people that you find -- form them into a
cooperative.'"
        Lee says that, if you'll fill out his papers and send them in
(along with your $275), you'll automatically be formed into a 50-person
cooperative.
        Lee says that he will put twenty of his energy machines on an 8' by
40' flat bed trailer to generate 10 Megawatts.  He says that he can pull
one of this trailer up to an Electric Utility substation and provide enough
power for some 5,000 homes.
        Lee says that he did his show for the Congress and, as a result of
that show, Congress deregulated the utilities in July of 1996.  Then, Lee
speaks of the "little neutrino circuit sits on a stick ...a 74-element and
a 73-element ...You take a light bulb, you stick it on this, it's not
plugged into anything ...it'll burn forever."  On his web page at
www.ucsofa.com, Lee refers to a "nutrino" device.
        Lee says that he will kill every coal- and oil-fired plant in the
next two years, because he can sell power for 5 cents/Kilowatt.  He says
that the State of Israel will buy all the power he can supply at 5
cents/kilowatt.  And Lee has fourteen nations lined up to buy power,
providing that they nationalize their power systems.
        Talking about the 50-person cooperatives, Lee says that he will
build one by the end of the year and put in about 100 units.  In New Mexico
there will be 100 units -- one in every co-op -- working, free energy
machines.  Each unit will generate 15 Kilowatts.  The co-ops will loan
Lee's company $10,000 to build a power trailer.  He says that everyone will
be set free from the power grid by March, 2000.  Then Lee will pay back
your loans.
        Lee winds up his talk by claiming that he will be eliminating all
pollution -- fossil fuel, and etc.  He lists some of the 500 technologies
his company is developing, such as the camera which looks inside a person's
body without using x-rays or any other radiation that can revolutionize
medicine, a silent jackhammer, and a telephone which allows telephone
conversations anywhere in the world without using satellites and without
cost.
        And, of course, Lee offers dealerships for about $10,000 each to
push his free energy machines.
        In summary, Lee's show is a strange mixture of hokey science,
hucksterism, paranoia, religion and megalomania, designed to separate the
gullible from their money in return for the vain hope of "free energy" and
freedom from the clutches of the "Electric Utilities."  Clearly, Lee is
making money -- travel costs and rentals for a 45-city tour do not come
cheap.  And a full page ad in USA Today, like the one Lee ran on Sept.
17th, 1999, costs over $80,000 last time we checked.
        One wonders how long Lee will be able to get away with it.  His
investors will surely not get a warm feeling when they get around to
reading the fine print in the application to join a co-op, in which it is
stated that Lee's Better World Technologies "is at a late stage in the
development and possible production of an up to 15 kwh free electricity
generator to be applied to residences...." (emphasis added).
        Caveat Emptor!
        NMSR thanks the Philadelphia Skeptics, Eric Krieg, and Tom Napier,
for advance information on Lee's visit and tactics.  See their great Lee
website at (www.phact.org/e).
 

sidebar quote : Asked if he'd ever had his machine tested by an impartial
jury of scientists, Lee answered "No, I don't have an impartial jury of
scientists ... because I have to find a scientist that wasn't a whore."
 
 
 
 




New Mexico review of Dennis's visit in 1996:

"Originally published in NMSR Reports, Newsletter of the New Mexicans for
Science and Reason, Vol. 2, No. 3, March 1996."

Cheerio, Dave

"GREATEST ENERGY SHOW"
By Harry M. Murphy
        The days of snake oil salesmen aren't over yet.  On February 26th,
1996, I attended "THE GREATEST ENERGY SHOW ON EARTH!"  at TVI's
Smith-Brasher Hall in Albuquerque, New Mexico.  The flyer said, "Unlimited
energy is available to power all moving vehicles without gasoline or diesel
[sic] and with no pollution at all!  . . .  See how we can make electricity
for free from energy taken from air even at night in a snow storm."
        The show was presented by Dennis Lee, an ex-convict who apparently
served two years in a California prison for fraud and is now on parole.
Lee appeared on at least two radio talk shows (Chris Jackson, KHTL 920 AM
and Jay Howard Deme, KOB 770 AM) to plug his show.
        Lee, who admits to no training in science or engineering, spoke for
four hours to a standing-room only audience.  He says he is the Director of
Research for Better World Technology (BWT) of Newfoundland, New Jersey.
His Albuquerque show was one stop on a 12-state tour which ended in
Washington, DC on March 5, with a show to which he invited the President,
Congress, the Supreme Court, the IRS, the Pentagon, the FBI, the CIA, the
Department of Energy, etc.!
        His show was a non-stop rambling mishmash of pseudoscientific
babble and sales pitch.  He says that "the energy in magnets is continually
being replaced" and asks, "what is that power source?"  He says that "we
can solve all forms of pollution today," and "that there is no reason to
burn fossil fuels," and "if you have a perpetual energy source, you have a
perpetual motion machine."  He asserts that "I developed the world's most
efficient solar energy system!"
        He described the use of low boiling point gases, such as Freon, to
collect solar energy and provide sufficient energy to heat a house, provide
electricity, and even provide surplus electricity to sell to industry.  His
solar panels are 8 feet long and 3 feet wide, used four at a time in an 8
by 12 foot array.  He claims his system produces "28,000 kilowatts in a
year of free electricity" [kilowatt-hours?].  He says he can build such a
home system for $2,500 and that the homeowner will have free power for the
rest of his life.
        Of course, these types of devices are absolutely impossible
according to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, which was stated in the
following manner by Lord Kelvin: "It is impossible to devise a process
whose only result is to convert heat, extracted from a single reservoir,
entirely into work." The device Lee claims to have developed would
constitute a perpetual motion machine of the 2nd kind (as opposed to the
1st kind, which would violate the 1st Law, conservation of energy).
        He went on to describe the "Fisher Engine," a heat engine with no
exhaust and no condenser, saying that the steam engine, in use for some 200
years, "was built wrong."  He showed a slide of a "Fisher Engine" with a
6-inch cylinder, which he says develops 80 horsepower.  He claims that he
can adapt any conventional automobile to use this engine, and that it will
then run for 400,000 miles with no oil changes.
        Lee demonstrated a Chrysler automobile engine modified to use
compressed gas as a power source, using only two cylinders.  He said he
used carbon dioxide (CO2), rather than Freon, because his modified engine
didn't have a condenser and he couldn't legally vent Freon.  He quoted the
torque generated by a normal Chrysler engine (about 150 foot-pounds) and
then demonstrated the torque produced by his modified two-cylinder engine
by attaching a torque wrench to the crankshaft and opening the valve of the
CO2 bottle.  The torque wrench was destroyed, to the delight of the
audience, demonstrating a torque far, far in excess of that nominally
generated by such an engine.  "Think of the power this engine would have if
we used all of the cylinders!" he said. He then removed the wrecked torque
wrench and let the engine run unloaded for a few noisy seconds.
        Setting aside the fact that Lee confused torque with power (as he
did force and power throughout his spiel), let us do a back of the envelope
calculation of the torque we might expect from his engine, considering only
a single cylinder.  The gas in a CO2 bottle at room temperature (20°C)
consists of liquid and gaseous CO2 at a pressure of about 830 PSI. If the
piston diameter is 3.4 inches, its cross section area is 9.1 square inches.
A pressure of 830 PSI on this piston would result in a force of 7536
pounds.  If the stroke length is about 4.1 inches, then the torque (when
the crankshaft arm is at 90°) is around 1287 foot-pounds.  No wonder the
wrench was destroyed!
        Of course, this is irrelevant to the question of how much power Lee
could generate using a Freon-based heat engine -- even a "Fisher Engine."
It was just a flashy demonstration to impress his audience.
        While in prison, Lee claims to have developed a "Hot Box," a
cylinder about 4 inches in diameter and 18 inches long (and thus with a
volume of about 226 cubic inches), which can store 200,000 BTU and which
can be used to power automobiles, etc.  He claims to be working on a new
liquid with a "super-high heat capacity of 2,000,000 BTU per pound."
        One BTU (British Thermal Unit) is the amount of heat needed to
raise the temperature of 1 pound of water by 1°F (1 BTU is equivalent to
about 1054 Joules, or 1.054 Kilowatt-seconds). Now, the density of water is
equivalent to about 1 pound per 27.7 cubic inches.  Thus, water in the Hot
Box volume of 226 cu.in. would weigh about 8.16 pounds. 200,000 BTU in 8.16
pounds of water corresponds to a temperature of 24,700°F (or 13,600°C) --
hot water, indeed! (Tungsten boils at 5,927°C and quartz at 2230°C.)
Filling the "Hot Box" with any other material, such as sand, would
correspond to even higher temperatures.
        The bottom line:  Speaking through Mike, an assistant, Lee says
that BWT has set aside five dealerships for each of the stops on his
national tour, and that such dealerships are trading for $10,000.
Interested persons were invited to sign up for more information at the end
of his show.  After the show, at least a dozen people were crowded around
the BWT sign-up table.  Barnum was right!
        What makes Lee's pitch so persuasive that some people swallow all
this hokum?
        In addition to Lee's two flyers, three other items were distributed
at the show:  (1) The Free American a 28-page tabloid-size "Patriot"
newspaper published in Tijeras, New Mexico;  (2) A flyer announcing a
workshop on "Common Law Living Trusts" and "How to beat the Income Tax
system;"  and  (3) A flyer announcing a talk on "CIA mind control
experiments" and "the true goals of the New World Order."  These materials
appeal to persons who have a deep distrust of government, international
organizations, scientists, bankers, oil companies, power companies, the
news media, etc.  Conservative radio personality Rush Limbaugh classifies
these people as "Kooks."  They tend to believe in international
conspiracies, UFO coverups, mind control plots, etc.  Judging from audience
response, perhaps some 10 to 20 percent of the attenders were such people
-- and it was to them that Lee targeted his pitch.
        Lee's spiel had the feeling of a revival meeting;  four non-stop
hours in a hot, packed room, with his voice booming from the loudspeakers,
and no break for audience questions.  His audience, immersed in Lee's
torrent of words, had no time to think, only to applaud.
        Early on, Lee said that he had been imprisoned without a trial and
this, coupled with his boast that he had no technical training, made him
appear to be just another "good ol' boy" fighting an oppressive
bureaucracy.  He said he came from a "non-rich background" and was amazed
to find himself worth $50,000,000 (apparently before he went to prison) --
a "good ol' boy" who made good.
        He asserted that the Government had developed the "World's Most
Efficient Engine" for $30,000,000, found that they "couldn't break it," and
presumably suppressed it.
        He claimed that he and his technical advisors received death
threats from the Sheriff just before his trial (that he didn't have?), and
that his advisors vanished (at least for a while).  He claimed that he had
"proved in a Court of Law that we can make free electricity" and that the
fraud charges against him were dismissed.  (Yet he served two years.)
        He railed against the power companies, the banks, the "smokestack
economy," the "Illuminati," and the "New World Order," and claimed that he
had "options from God."  His target audience ate it up.
        He derided the ozone holes, said that CFC's are heavier than air,
questioned how ozone is made, asked how many refrigerators there are at the
North Pole, claimed ozone doesn't block the ultraviolet rays that cause
cancer, and said that -- anyway -- there isn't direct light from the sun at
the poles!  He claimed the ozone holes have always been there and were
discovered around 1900.  He suggested that the current interest in the
ozone holes is a reaction to his work using Freon in his energy machines.
He also claimed that DuPont's patent on Freon has expired and that that is
the real reason for reports on the ozone holes and for developing
alternative refrigerants.  And his target audience cheered.
        The show was a learning experience -- but not of new technology,
but rather the old hokum of a snake oil salesman.
        Thanks to John Geohegan, who also attended the show, for his
technical advice in preparing this report, and to John and Dave Thomas for
editorial suggestions.



Review of the Mansfield show:

Got into the Mansfield show and so did the press.  I have several things to report from the show.  Mostly what Dennis said in
synopsis form ( very long):
 
- about 250-300 people attended (many got a copy of my handout outside)
- Dielectricity Demonstration:
     + Says that transfer through the air is 99.9% efficient, yet when he stood at a distance from the source, the lamp was
dimmer than when he touched the source.
     + Says no EMF with this device!
- Stated repeatedly "I am not going to give you a demonstration of a free energy machine" being extremely careful with his
wording.
- Used the "magnet on the refrigerator is a magic source of energy" fallacy.
- Says there is a "flow of energy" between the magnet and the fridge.
- Says he is a Vietnam vet - does anyone know if that's true?
- Constantly used the term "Peanut butter and Jelly Sandwich" to describe a free-energy device without saying free energy
device.
- Counter Rotational Device:
     + Showed the mini-CRD before and after the magic dust was placed on it.  It had a brake using some type of belt to apply
torque.  His conclusion was that since the torque on the brake was the same, and the rpm was 2x (making great pains to step
through the calculations for the people who did not know about algebra) then the CRD was 2x over unity.
     + Said that he did not believe in over-unity and he never showed an over-unity device (seems like a direct contradiction -
but you have to have Dennis's genius to understand it).  If this is true then his dream for free-energy is not attainable.
     + Wanted to ask a question about the friction material used since many dynamic coefficients of friction for certain
materials drastically reduce with increased rpm which could account for the effect (or maybe something was tightened under
the table),  Unfortunately I was not allowed to ask questions ( I may still get this info) since dissenters and nay-sayers are not
welcome to ask questions or see the equipment up-close (they may sabotage the stuff).
- Professors are brainwashing students with their hair-brained scientific theories which are stifling innovation.
- Public officials are conspiring to take Dennis out and they better watch out because Dennis has the power to take out the
economy in one swoop with this free energy stuff so they just better behave - or else.
- Neutrino Man Demo: This may be the next free energy device for 2000???
- Dennis is on a mission from God and he claims he is a prophet from God in so many words.
- Developed a heat pump in 1988 that is 3x more efficient than any other.
- Has 7 ways to create free energy - those big scientist guys don't have one!
- "Is there one person out there that doesn't want free energy for 275.00?"  He asks a question but he doesn't say he can do it
- pretty slick.  This stuff permeated the entire 1/2 of the show - like "I believe I can build a free-energy machine"... "I think I
can make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich"... " By the end of the year I believe I can put a free energy machine on everyone's
house" etc.
- The plan he is about to offer is not from Dennis Lee, it's from God - so don't blame Dennis if it doesn't work.
- If we lived in a free country, Dennis could charge 5K for the machines, make them for 3K and everyone would be happy - but
noooo - that would be too easy and besides, they would have to work or those mean gov't officials may get nasty.  So the only
thing to do is give the machines away - that way the attorney generals can't get Dennis with the goods. (have to start getting
indigestion after eating this stuff).
- The Plan
     + God gave Dennis this plan see - and just forget that he has an investor who will invest 1 Billion in free-energy devices -
this is God's plan.
     + We need the people to get involved - after all it would be much too easy to just make a machine and start making
electricity - then take the 200,000 dollars from one year's electricity and build more etc.  No, that would mean that Dennis
would get rich and he wouldn't want that because then he would change and become a conspirator (all the big guys are you
know).
     + Compares himself to Noah and says that anybody was welcome to get on the ark - funny I don't remember God RSVPing
anybody but Noah and his families.
     + Goes through the coop thing.
- As his sales pitch starts, many of the people start to leave - Dennis hurries the hand-out of COBI info before they leave.
- Sanyo corporation is a dealer for BWT (could we check this out??)
- Call your friends and pack the demonstrations
- We don't sell dealerships - buuuut we do have several people who want to sell theirs (does this make sense since they are
about to be millionaires?).  The guy he called Marc is the same guy that talked to me at the Akron show - pretty smooth sales
guy.  Several people - 4-5 - went to talk with Marc and later Dennis in another room (no doubt to get the full blast sales pitch
for the unavailable dealerships).  It seems as if the whole event was concocted to distill the crowd down to these poor folks who
would then get the full blast sales effort for the big money.
- Y2K lamp was getting dim after about 2 hours.
- Dennis says that they de-regulated the power companies because he demonstrated to the congress at Washington in 1996.
- He sells millions of dollars in Brown's Gas machines.
- His plan for installation of the units will occur all at one time (to thwart the Attorneys General) but - no one knows the
place or the time (just like Jesus according to Dennis).
 
    Got to discuss some of the stuff (smelly stuff) from the show and what I thought of it.
 
Dave G.