review of Doug Platts talk on Cryonics:
On May 16, Doug Platt came to talk with PhACT
about Cryonics - which is
the study and practice of freezing people for ( hopefully)
revival at some time when technology can not only fix the ailment
which did (or would have) killed them, but also (and this is the big
step) undo all the serious damage reeked by freezing. Normally,
crystallization
which occurs with freezing destroys cells as would any chemical measures
to avoid crystallization.
Doug has been into this subject 20 years, has 2 frozen
dogs, will himself be
preserved and has participated in the "preservation" of others.
Doug's futuristic
stance in life was well underscored by the elaborate micro computer
screen which he wore
on his head while speaking (a few of us computer people in the audience
started
wondering if we should get one). Doug ingratiated himself by
declaring himself a skeptic and
mentioned having subscribed to Skeptical Inquirer 15 years ago.
Doug early on started begging the question of definitions: most
people feel there is
no universal definition of death (obviously, if you are revived from
death, you weren't
really dead) and the essence of the individual. Doug believes
there is no soul which
departs from people at the moment of death and hold little hope of
a spiritual resurrection
as described by religionists. He lamented that there are only
about 1000 active
people in the cryogenics movement which has gone on about 30 years,
and says, "we'd
have more members if we were nuts". He suspects that
people
feel discomfort considering death and confusion over the definition
of self holds people back
from involvement. He assured us that with one exception, there
has been no real fraud or hucksterism
in the movement. But, there's something gruesome about it which
makes people reluctant. Doug
referred to the "icky poo factor" of people being freaked out
by the whole concept. But, if
you think about it, these people are attempting to make a one way trip
into the future.
As with any controversial practice, there are plenty of myths
associated with cryonics:
like Walt Disney having been frozen - he was considering it but never
did. Or someone pulling the
plug and bodies thawing out - Doug says they are suspended head down
in liquid
nitrogen - there's plenty of thermal mass and if the level of nitrogen,
got too
low, only the feet would thaw. Doug addressed the question of massive
damage with
a small ray of hope that maybe the fledgling science of nanotechnology
(with micro miniature
machines) may be able to repair the damage. (This reviewing engineer
feels that
warming a body enough for micro robots to work would also allow further
decomposition.)
Among the questions raised from the audience were:
Who would want to pay the money to revive such people:
A: maybe funds could be left to do so - maybe interesting for historical
value.
Wouldn't you feel out of place if revived in a millennia ?
A: tribal people seem to adapt when assimilated into modern society
and you
could always be revived at the same time as friends.
Wouldn't the world be filled up with people trying to cheat death?
A: not at this rate: a few hundred preserved after 30 years of promotions.
Wouldn't you miss your friends if you woke up in a millennia?
A: Freeze em too!
Doesn't it cost a lot?
A: under $100,000, less if you only save your brain. Liquid nitrogen
is cheaper
than beer.
Doug reminded us that even if it is impossible to revive people, at
the very least, we would
be leaving behind well preserved corpses (he refers to as "patients")
for possible future
scientific posterity. He feels that present forms of "corpse
care" insure less chance of
resurrection and that cryonics is for people who love life and don't
limit themselves
to the accepted notion of getting old and simply dying.
Although, this reviewer is aptly skeptical of people frozen today ever
being
resurrected, he concedes that some sort of suspended animation would
be necessary
to send sentient beings to other solar systems in a few centuries.
More information on Cryonics can be had at: http://www.jps.net/cryonics/
This page is provided care of Eric
Krieg and is found
at: http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/cryonics.htm