Re: Question about the aether

Peter Ammon ( pa44@cornell.edu )
Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:32:53 -0400

>Hi Peter et al!
>
>This is getting good and I thank you for being a devils
>advocate!!!
>
>Peter Ammon wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Peter et al!
>> >
>> >So you think this is all about trying to convince mainstream
>> >scientists??? Really?? LOL
>> >
>> >To my view, I couldn't care less if scientists are
>> >'convinced' or not...the goal is discovery and working
>> >devices that use the aether/zpe.
>>
>> That's to your credit. You've shamed me.
>
>Not my intent in the least!!! Just want to be clear that it
>doesn't MATTER whether 'mainstream scientists' are convinced
>or not...proof will prevail regardless as long as we share
>information and experiment with whatever tools and materials
>we have.

That's for sure. Better theories will eventually become mainstream.

>...I like the quote;
>
>'Science advances one death at a time'
>
>...meaning of course that the naysayers who inhibit, coverup
>or ignore new thought and experimentation, YET ARE IN POWER,
>in academia and corporations,
>
>must often die off to let the fresh young minds discover and
>apply new truths...can't risk anything new that will unlearn
>much of currently accepted facts...
>
>the guardians of the orthodox are unfortunately locked into
>and thus vested to protect and MAINTAIN the current
>paradigms which are tied in provide them with money and
>power....
>
>in our case (maverick researchers and experimenters) we have
>no power and certainly no money, so we have EVERYTHING to
>gain by catalyzing such changes...

It pains me that you take such a dim view of academics. In my experience,
the "guardians of the orthodox," which I interpret to mean those most
knowledgeable in mainstream theories, tend to be very bright people who are
scientists because of their interest in science. While they obviously have
a large investment in the current theories, I doubt that many would
knowingly advocate a theory that is false, or that they even suspect to be
false.

--snip examples of independent researchers--

Well, you certaintly came up with a lot! I guess it is obvious that many
important discoveries have been made without the sponsorship of academic,
industrial, or governmental institutions.

What still worries me most, though, is that many of the posters on keelynet
don't seem to have a grasp of basic physics. I don't mean to pick on
anyone, but the most recent update,
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/tomi2.htm , claims that perpetual motion can
be achieved by placing a magnetic wheel between two oppositely aligned
concentric circular bar magnets. This is, frankly, silly, since the net
effect of the magnets next to one another is simply to sum up to one big
magnet, and there is no perpetual effect.

Are there examples in science where someone has overturned the existing
theories without at least a basic understanding of those theories?

>Predictions are wonderful but as long as academics and
>engineers set themselves up as a church or special group
>promoting themselves as the ONLY ones with the knowledge and
>funding to develop anything worthwhile,
>
>we will STAY living and working in two dimensions, grounded
>with automobiles, riding bottle rockets to get into space,
>chained to pipelines for water, gas and electricity...and
>dying from cytotoxins, radiation and drugs with serious side
>effects.

I suspect that you will find the laws of physics to be a much stronger
adversary than mainstream academia. Nothing would make me happier than for
you to disprove me, though; if you can truly demonstrate taking energy from
the "aether," then more power to you (rimshot).

>
>My view of the future which some of us are actively working
>to make a reality is;
>
>http://www.keelynet.com/unclass/society.htm

It's a lofty and laudable goal. Best of luck to you.

>I have no axe to grind against academics and engineers per
>se, it is the ATTITUDE of SOME...
>
>Over the years, there have been opportunities to share
>information with many young people who now write me from
>college, university and their now professional lives,
>
>saying their views were altered by exposure to subjects they
>would NEVER have seen or heard of in formal training....
>
>and so they NOW bring these ideas into their work
>environment as well as continue to experiment and learn on
>their own, sharing as they go and seeking to do what they
>can in their own way...
>
>so the more of these websites with such information that
>spring up, the better because many on on the net are young
>people not locked into orthodoxy and they are the ones who
>will make it happen....of course we expect to beat them to
>it...<g>...

It's very possible to tip too far the other way, though; I wonder if it's
not a greater risk.

>
>then they will become the 'new' academics and engineers
>conversant with and expanding on the 'new' rules of
>physics...
>
>what we now see as exciting new discoveries to be made with
>aether/zpe will one day be ubiquitous and taught in junior
>high school science classes....having been there
>'always'...

Who can say what the next big discovery will be? That's tantamount to
predicting the future. You claim that it will be aether/ZPE, many
mainstream scientists think that it might be string theory, and I don't
feel qualified enough to hold an opinion myself. All I know is that it's
going to be exciting.

-Peter

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