This is getting good and I thank you for being a devils
advocate!!!
Peter Ammon wrote:
>
> >Hi Peter et al!
> >
> >So you think this is all about trying to convince mainstream
> >scientists??? Really?? LOL
> >
> >To my view, I couldn't care less if scientists are
> >'convinced' or not...the goal is discovery and working
> >devices that use the aether/zpe.
>
> That's to your credit. You've shamed me.
Not my intent in the least!!! Just want to be clear that it
doesn't MATTER whether 'mainstream scientists' are convinced
or not...proof will prevail regardless as long as we share
information and experiment with whatever tools and materials
we have....I like the quote;
'Science advances one death at a time'
....meaning of course that the naysayers who inhibit, coverup
or ignore new thought and experimentation, YET ARE IN POWER,
in academia and corporations,
must often die off to let the fresh young minds discover and
apply new truths...can't risk anything new that will unlearn
much of currently accepted facts...
the guardians of the orthodox are unfortunately locked into
and thus vested to protect and MAINTAIN the current
paradigms which are tied in provide them with money and
power....
in our case (maverick researchers and experimenters) we have
no power and certainly no money, so we have EVERYTHING to
gain by catalyzing such changes...
> >Its up to the scientists if they want to be part of it, or
> >wait til one or more garage experimenters releases a proof
> >of principle plan that anyone can download, build and prove
> >for themselves.
> >
> >Won't it be interesting to see how fast 'the scientists and
> >engineers' will try to pick up on this and incorporate it as
> >their own, with the inevitable claims that they 'knew it all
> >along'...<g>...it couldn't POSSIBLY have been invented by
> >some redneck tinkering in a garage or basement with science
> >fair quality, homemade experiments...that would defy the
> >current tendencies to DISCOURAGE experimentation, discovery
> >only comes from universities and corporations, never by a
> >lone maverick researcher....surprise!!!
>
> Historically, what discoveries have been made by a lone maverick researcher
> not associated with universities or corporations? It's an honest question;
> I can't think of any off the top of my head but I'm willing to accept that
> there are lots.
Historically???????
Faraday began his discoveries WITHOUT BENEFIT of any outside
funding or assistance.
Nikola Tesla worked COMPLETELY without regard or need for
any university or corporate affiliaion. The rotating magnet
field for motors, the 60 hz power system, fluorescent tubes,
RADIO (not Marconi but not legally credited to Tesla until a
year after his death) and a host of lesser known
discoveries.
Henry Moray Senior, invented the first transistor, then
followed it up with the first germanium transistor (swedish
stone), further improved with his still as yet unduplicated
Moray valve (amplifier tube). The transistor technology was
Stolen and developed by Bell labs and credited to them as a
history rewrite.
Henry Stubblefield invented the first telephone.
Hero's steam engine.
The Wright brothers airplane though it was invented and
tested years before by another fellow whose name I don't
recall, none of who were affiliated with a university or
corporation.
Remington - the rifle and interchangeable parts
Eli Whitney - the cotton gin and manufacturing techniques
Henry Ford - assembly line automobiles cheap and durable
Thomas Edison - movies, the phonograph, the light bulb
and a host of others...
>
> >With all this net babble, we'll have ample documentation
> >showing how it came to be and possibly, in coming years,
> >history will be re-written to make sure the credit was taken
> >away from the true discoverer(s) and claimed by a university
> >academic or corporation...like with the telephone and the
> >transistor.
> >
> >The bottomline is its not about convincing scientists, its
> >about discovery and implementation of practical devices that
> >tap into aether/ZPE as their source, free and efficient.
>
> Best of luck to you. Let me suggest one thing, though. Fifty years ago,
> predictions for the year 2000 included flying cars, kitchens assembled as
> units and shipped whole to houses, space colonies, and whatnot. Instead,
> we have ridiculously fast computers, the Internet, DNA polymorphism, and
> all the other technological goodies. My point? The scientific advances do
> not necessarily occur where we most want them to occur. The aether/ZPE may
> not be the future, near or far.
Predictions are wonderful but as long as academics and
engineers set themselves up as a church or special group
promoting themselves as the ONLY ones with the knowledge and
funding to develop anything worthwhile,
we will STAY living and working in two dimensions, grounded
with automobiles, riding bottle rockets to get into space,
chained to pipelines for water, gas and electricity...and
dying from cytotoxins, radiation and drugs with serious side
effects.
My view of the future which some of us are actively working
to make a reality is;
http://www.keelynet.com/unclass/society.htm
>
> -Peter
I have no axe to grind against academics and engineers per
se, it is the ATTITUDE of SOME...
Over the years, there have been opportunities to share
information with many young people who now write me from
college, university and their now professional lives,
saying their views were altered by exposure to subjects they
would NEVER have seen or heard of in formal training....
and so they NOW bring these ideas into their work
environment as well as continue to experiment and learn on
their own, sharing as they go and seeking to do what they
can in their own way...
so the more of these websites with such information that
spring up, the better because many on on the net are young
people not locked into orthodoxy and they are the ones who
will make it happen....of course we expect to beat them to
it...<g>...
then they will become the 'new' academics and engineers
conversant with and expanding on the 'new' rules of
physics...
what we now see as exciting new discoveries to be made with
aether/zpe will one day be ubiquitous and taught in junior
high school science classes....having been there
'always'...
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