RE: Pogue Carburator

Carrigan, Ken ( (no email) )
Sun, 2 Apr 2000 11:24:06 -0400

There are many conerns to this system (like a tank of hydrogen in a car)
in implementing in a car. I think this maybe one reason that car
manufacturers do not implement it. One is the warming of the fuel in
which gasoline is heated to over 80C. I had done this quasi pogue
experiment on a VW about 20 years ago and blew up my VW. The problem
was that sucking fuel from the heated tank acutally cools the fuel
(from vapor evaporation) and more heat is required to keep it at a
contant heated hot temp. Once the engine is stopped, heat is still
pouring into the fuel (as there is a time delay) and the fuel becomes
so hot it the liquid bowls and pressure builds. This fuel system
then developed small leaks and into the engine compartment and one
stray spark ignited the whole engine.. and POOF. Was a quick burn I
might say.

Another problem beside the heat time delaying, (oh this VW ran good
too.. until the fuel got too cold at higher engine speeds) is the
vaporizing of the fuel. Once the vapors come off the fuel, what is
left in the tank?? Now the GEET device uses other stuff like Salt
water, coke, pickle juice, etc. What is left in the tank that once
all the 'vapors' are sucked off. I know Fuel Oil does not like to
vaporize to easily and coke? What happens to the sugars and carmel
that do not get vaporized?

v/r Ken Carrigan

-----Original Message-----
From: The Szymanek's
To: wayne Phillips; interact@keelynet.com
Sent: 4/1/00 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pogue Carburator

Hi Dwayne, et all!
When I was at the science fair last week, with my project "Basic
Aether Engineering", I saw another project which did vapor carbs. I
talked to the two guys, who were in Gr.9, and they showed me how it
worked. They took a lawn mower engine off a small push lawn mower, and
removed the blade, etc. The engine had only a few minor changes made.
The gas tank was heated by a in-line heater, to 37 degrees Celsius. They
had a hose going into the gas from the outside to keep the pressure
equalized in the tank. They ran a vacuum line from the top of the tank
over the motor, to the other side of the motor. The carb was removed,
and gas fumes were fed directly into the motor. They had some thing that
let air in, without letting the fumes out, at this point as well. I
don't know the all the correct terms for all the pieces, but they were
simple things you should be able to pick up at hardware stores. They
also had a electronic timing system to help the engine run better. The
normal idle time for the engine was 4 hours, but with this vapor carb it
was a bit over 16 hours! And they were still using flea temps and
pressure! My cousin, who is very good with motors, was there too and we
went over it, and figured out how it worked. We had designed a very
similar system just with information from the net. We never built it,
but now we will. This summer we are planning to build this lawnmower
experiment. Full documentation and plans will appear on my website when
this happens. Next time I see him, I see if we can draw up a schematic
with all the parts correctly labeled, and I'll upload it.
It's basically just like the initial experiment with the lawnmower
that was responsible for the rediscovery of this technology in the 70's.
My cousin and I had planned to build it, but never did, as there are no
sites or people who claim to have built it [besides HIMA]. When I was
taking with the guys who built it, they said "hey you know more about
this than we do, why didn't you build one for the fair?", my answer was
simple, I had planned on it, but lack of confirmation let it slip
through the cracks of my mind. People need to communicate their results
if we plan on getting anywhere.
So yes, I would say that there is something to all of this. Buy the
book if you want, but a very simple basic experiment can be done simply
by putting information on the net all together. Warm the fuel, and feed
the fumes into the engine. For a larger scale (i.e.. car engine) a
propane carb system could be used to regulate the fuel to air ratios
quite nicely. This is all very simple, more so than even GEET. There are
issues to be worked out, safety being one of them. Gas vapors are pretty
explosive for example. However the basic principle is very simple and
easy to prove. Hopefully with the help of my cousin the mechanic, I will
have more solid proof behind this in the summer.
Good Luck!
-Justin

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