RE: Water

Carrigan, Ken ( (no email) )
Sun, 5 Dec 1999 20:43:45 -0500

Hi et all,
Being the devils advocate that I am, <g>, I would have
to say that salt water with copper, magnesium, aluminium,
or other elements, the chlorine (of the salt) would get
plated to one of the electrods and start to diminish the
electrolyte and the 'metal' electrode.. making MgCl, CuCl,
AlCl or other type of non conducting electrode. I am not
really a chemist, but bet this is the case. Notice that
in chemistry they use Palatium or platinum electrodes which
are inert to such reactions. Also there was some discussion
months and months ago, also on other lists, about making
Colliodal Silver? There was conciderable controversy on using
salt in the solution, cause it would make Silver Chloride or
'gray' silver. AgCl!!
So.. chemisrty is where you have to look for some of the
'realities' of life... just ain't that simple to get JUST
Oxygen and Hydrogen... where salt is present. Even Chlorine
gas could be given off it the electrodes are right!

v/r Ken Carrigan

Robert A. Schader wrote:

> I posted preliminary info on this a couple weeks ago and no
> one seemed to notice. At least no one seemed to want to discuss
> it even though I think it is definitely worth looking into.
> If someone has disproved this method, I would also like to know:
>
> This is a salt-water battery that also generates hydrogen
> with no external power source as long as there is a load
> across the terminals, at least that is what is claimed.
>
> Patents are by a Francisco Pacheco. Following are the abstracts:
>
> Patent No. US 5,089,107
> Title: Bi-Polar Auto Electrolytic Hydrogen Generator
> Abstract:
> An autoelectrolytic hydrogen generator system constituted by one
> or a plurality of similar cells wherein a galvanic arrangement of
> magnesium and aluminum plates of sacrificial elements as anode;
> stainless steel as cathode and sea water as electrolyte, by its
> very nature is made to develop a voltage when connected in short
> circuit causing a current to flow within the system and hydrogen
> production of hydrogen in situ and on demand by the electrolytic
> action at one pole, the cathode, and additional hydrogen by the
> electrochemical reaction at the other pole, the anode. Surplus
> electric energy of the system applied to an optional electrolyzer
> will also be made to produce additional hydrogen at its two
> sacrificial aluminum electrodes.
>
> The earlier one:
> Patent No. US 3,892,653
> Title: Hydrogen Generator
> Abstract:
> A hydrogen generator constituted by a voltaic cell having a
> reactive magnesium electrode and a non-reactive electrode
> immersed in a salt-water electrolytic bath, a load being
> connected between the electrodes to cause a current flow
> in the cell resulting in an electrochemical reaction in
> which the magnesium is decomposed to produce hydrogen and
> in electrolysis in which the water is decomposed to produce
> hydrogen. In order to minimize polarization and other factors
> which diminish the production of hydrogen, the solution is
> circulated through an external flow loop having a pump
> interposed therein to draw the electrolyte from the bottom
> of the bath and to return it to the top thereof, the pump
> being powered by voltage derived from the cell.
>
> This guy supposedly ran both cars and boats off of the hydrogen
> these units generated on water alone. It seems like a excellent
> solution if it actually works.
>
> Bob Schader
> Computer Systems Administrator
> Product Design Intl., Inc.
> bobs@product-des.com
>
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