Norman Wootan wrote:
> My question is: Where are you going to find a 100% efficient engine in
> which to convert your hydrogen energy into usefull power??????????? If you
> study the "CARNOT" cycle you will see why the modern internal combustion
> engines and turbines are only about 19-25% efficient. The "Stirling" is the
> most efficient of all. Maybe you have an idea as to how to convert your
> hydrogen into usefull power. Fill us in please. Norm
>
> "Michael S. Johnston" wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> > Hopefully I have gotten your attention by now. With the first
> > installment I showed a rather simple illustration to prove that a
> > difference exists between the amount of energy required to electrolyze a
> > given quantity of water and the amount of energy which is given off when
> > the products resulting from said electrolysis are burned together. As I
> > said it is not much of a difference but it is a difference and the fact
> > that the higher amount of energy appears on the side of what is released
> > by burning it means that here we have the basis of a whole new, free
> > source of fuel to power our world.
> > The first objection that usually rears it's ugly head at this point
> > is that the information I have presented thus far violates the Second
> > Law of Thermodynamics. You are absolutely right. It does seem to but
> > upon further consideration I realized that it DOES NOT violate the
> > Second Law as we understand it. The problem seems to be a misapplication
> > of the second law in this case. A misapplication which has gone
> > unchallenged for a long time now. I am going to explain why this is so
> > through the use of an analogy and hopefully I can do it clearly enough
> > so that we don't have to digress into pointless arguments over it's
> > validity.
> > The first question that I had to ask was; if this is impossible then
> > how can any system work? I decided to compare the use of water as a fuel
> > source with the use of fossil fuels. Both are available in large
> > quantities in a natural (raw) state on this planet. Water as water which
> > usually contains varying amounts of diverse pollutants in both solid
> > form as particulates and in solution. Crude oil is available in a thick
> > sludgy form (most commonly) which also contains various pollutants. The
> > chemical formula for water is H2O and the chemical formula of gasoline
> > for example is C8H18.
> > What do we see in common so far? It can be argued that these are two
> > totally different compounds and that is true but please follow along for
> > a bit. Both of these compounds are without doubt Hydrogen compounds
> > aren't they? Water is hydrogen with oxygen and gasoline is hydrogen with
> > carbon.
> > Another similarity is that both of these substances have to be
> > changed or "refined" from their natural state into something that we can
> > best utilize as a fuel. Crude oil into gasoline and various other
> > products and water into hydrogen and oxygen gasses.
> > So with that in mind we have to first think about exactly what we
> > need to do to get crude oil from it's resting place under the earth to
> > the gas pumps at our local convenience store. First we have to set up
> > drilling equipment to sink a hole into the earth, down to where the oil
> > is. Once that is done we have to pump the oil up and transport it to a
> > refinery. At the refinery we have to cook it to separate the various
> > grades of fuels that we will use. Then we have to transport these
> > finished products to distribution centers and finally deliver them to
> > your local retail outlet.
> > During this whole process we have obviously used an incredible amount
> > of energy, haven't we? Imagine that we could do all of these things at
> > one site. Then imagine that there are ways to convert the products of
> > the burning of this fuel (gasoline) i.e.: C8H14->Carbon Dioxide, Carbon
> > Monoxide and water back into gasoline. After all you end up with all of
> > the original components, just mixed into different compounds so you
> > should be able to remanufacture gasoline from exhaust gasses just by
> > taking O2 back out of the mix, right <grin>? Actually though, why not?
> > And what if you did find a way to do that? I guess that it would THEN
> > violate the second law of thermodynamics wouldn't it? After all it
> > doesn't take more energy to produce gasoline than is given off by
> > burning it does it? If it does than something is very wrong here!
> > Or conversely, what if you took raw water and "refined" it into fuel
> > gas H2 and oxidizer O2 and then burned them together to produce energy
> > and instead of condensing the resulting exhaust gasses you just vented
> > them into the atmosphere and pumped some more raw water out of your
> > well? That way an H2O fuel source WOULDN'T VIOLATE THE SECOND LAW UNDER
> > THE RULES APPLIED TO CRUDE OIL WOULD IT?
> > End of part 2
> > MJ
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