>hmmmm, the bonds between hydrogen and oxygen are very strong, if they
>weren't then our planet would have self-destructed millions of years ago.
>Trying to find common ground between the distillation of crude oil in to
its
>component parts and the separation of water in to it's component parts is
>ludicrous, water evaporates when you heat it, but it condenses back in to
>water when it cools. To find the answer to a problem try taking your
>inspiration from nature.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Mike Johnston <enki@csrlink.net>
>To: Thomas Buyea <ranger116@webtv.net> Interact <Interact@Keelynet.com>
>Sent: Sunday, November 14, 1999 1:58 AM
>Subject: Re: H2O Fuel
>
>
>> Ok Good,
>> I know that your argument is basically given by quoting the second law
>of
>> thermodynamics and research done by Michael Faraday on the electrolysis
of
>> water.
>> I believe however that there are several fairly cognizant arguments which
>can
>> be made to refute the validity of either of these reasons given in
support
>of
>> your statement.
>> This is not to say that either argument is invalid. Rather, in the
>case of
>> the 2nd law, it is simply misapplied here. In the case of Faraday's
>findings
>> he was correct given the methods at his disposal at the time.
>> If the second law holds true (as applied here) then fossil fuels would
>be
>> useless to us because it would take just as much energy to refine crude
>oil
>> into gasoline as the burning of gasoline would produce.
>> My point here is that if you look at the process of separating water
>into
>> H2 and O2 as "refining" the raw material into a usable fuel it is much
>easier
>> to understand how, by improving our refining methods, we could indeed
make
>> water into a usable fuel source. One that could in fact be used in most
>> currently produced internal combustion engines with minor retrofitting.
>> I spent some time developing various things to make use of this and
>will
>> probably end up putting some schematics up on the net or here as
>attachments.
>> I have given up on the fantasy of ever making any money out of it and so
>am
>> now just playing with the concept.
>> Actually any of the stuff I designed could easily stand alone no
matter
>how
>> you produce the fuel gasses but the concept of the electricity generated
>by
>> the boiler I designed being used to "refine" the raw material is too much
>fun
>> to ignore totally.
>> The boiler I referenced is going to run at as close to 100% efficiency
>as
>> you will ever see in a steam fired boiler too (just a little bonus).
>> MJ
>>
>>
>> Thomas Buyea wrote:
>>
>> > It takes more energy to do it than it produces.
>> >
>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Subject: H2O Fuel
>> > Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 19:02:47 -0500
>> > From: Mike Johnston <enki@csrlink.net>
>> > To: Interact <Interact@Keelynet.com>
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> > Would anyone like to discuss H2O seperated into H2 and O2 as a fuel
>> > source?
>> > MJ
This has been an active area of research in chemistry and chemical
engineering for a long time. People havn't found the method yet with over
unity of efficiency. You get what you put in or less. If there are over
unity aspect of it like for example in the Stan Meyer's case, it may usually
involve some circuits that seemingly collects energy from space.
If the sun light energy can be used to dissociate hydrogen and oxygen
from water, it can be a better source of energy than using the photo voltaic
cell. Still there is no widely used such method of energy collection. Unless
the frequency of the incident light resonates with the covalent bonding
strength of the hydrogen and oxygen atoms, the light will simply pass
through the water without interaction.
On the other hand, the microwave oven uses the electromagnetic
micro-wave to resonate with the (polarized) molecular bonding of the water
molecules to each other. This bonding strength is much weaker than the
atomic bonding of the hydrogen and oxygen atom in the water molecule and
applying this microwave energy will make the hot steam out of water by
boiling it instead of making dissociated hydrogen and oxygen atoms.
These two mechanisms are totally different from each other.
This is not to discourage people from pursuing such a goal but to
remind what is involved in the task.
EJ
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