>I have a question, aimed at researchers such as R. Ohsako, J.L. Naudin,
>John Bedini, and anyone else who have worked with these sort of devices:
I`m not sure that the above gentlemen will respond directly in this forum...
However please allow me to throw in my 5 cents worth in answer to your
questions:
Given that no-one can actually demonstrate such a device yet, there are no
`rules` that can be meaningfully presented.
However, after a lot of experiments and a lot of thought, my intuitions are:
A magnetic motor that uses permanent magnets needs some means of achieving
a dynamically asymmetric field in which either the magnets or magnetic
elements rotate. The rotational elements need to `feel `that the field just
ahead of their present position is stronger than that in their present
position - typically by temporarily weakening the field as the rotational
element passes specific points. The magnetic field in which they rotate
needs to be _dynamically asymmetrical_ as each passes specific point(s).
The very possibility of such a motor is based upon the premise that under
certain circumstances IT CAN TAKE LESS ENERGY TO MODIFY THE FLUX GRADIENT
AT A SPECIFIC POINT THAN MAY THEN BE PRODUCED AS A RESULT OF THE FIELD
ASSYMETRY ACTING UPON THE ROTATIONAL ELEMENTS - Hall`s Law :)
This dynamic field asymmetry might be achieved by using field-modifying
elements (ferro-magnetic materials in _exactly the right place_) or using
coils (which are energised at _exactly the right time_) or some other means.
The word _exactly_ indicates the problem here. Magnetic fields are
powerful, and flux densities can vary greatly given only a small adjustment
to gap size etc. Just a millimetre of movement can turn a larger attraction
into greater drag. Also, you will have to work hard eliminating the effect
of secondary fields generated by eddy currents in the structure caused by
changing magnetic fields.
Motors with small physical dimensions (such as the ROMAG) will be
inherently more difficult to align than larger ones. However, larger ones
are likely (if they work at all!) to be so `over unity` that it is hard to
stop a chain reaction.
The word "exactly" may also explain why some claimed devices have never
been replicated - it is conceivable that the original inventor `got it
right` only after many hours of setting up but that no-one else either had
the time or patience to follow in his footsteps.
Golden rule here: if your motor starts to work, switch it off and call in
the verification team before doing _anything_ to it. That last bit of `fine
tuning` may stop it working altogether (this has happened!)
Additionally, there may be a class of motors which achieve a dynamically
asymmetric field by virtue of the rotation itself (e.g. the rotation
generates a current in, say, secondary coils. This current is then used to
modify the field shape at specific points). If so, these are likely to need
a minimum rotation speed in order to achieve the sorts of currents
necessary (albeit at low voltage) to modify the main magnetic field and
produce the dynamically asymmetric magnetic field.
Notice that the usual problem of `not being able to get more out than you
put in` would not apply in this class of motor - the primary rotational
torque (and ultimately the energy output of the motor) comes from the
strong permanent magnets. The secondary coils only _modify the shape_ of
the field from the permanent magnet - this provides dynamic asymmetry in a
very powerful field (derived from the permanent magnet). It is the latter
field that `does the work`.
In this latter type, I can`t see why it matters if you use mechanical
energy initially to `get them up to speed` or electromagnetic energy (i.e.
a motor). The latter is more convenient, and may be the only option for
motors which have a high `priming speed`. Given that this class of motor
may require quite high currents (which are themselves alternating at quite
high speeds) it is probable that they may suffer from undesired
side-effects: high levels of spurious RF radiation and (possibly at very
high speeds) plasma effects etc.
As a final comment on where Hamel`s `magnetic motor` fits in to the above
analysis, I`d say this:
-- We haven`t actually got a working model to examine but there is a chance
someone will succeed in duplicating it.
-- It involves a lot of magnets and clearly (it is claimed) they spun very
fast. It is entirely conceivable that the field asymmetry was a result of
eddy currents induced in the steel drum - these currents create secondary
magnetic fields which `chase` the main field in such a way that the
resultant field is asymmetrical ==> the cones-plus-magnets chase the
asymmetry.
It is significant that (it is claimed) Hamel`s drum:
a) generated a lot of RF,
b) chain-reacted to a melt down
c) exhibited phenomena consonant with plasma effects and
d) Seems to be _very_ finely tuned
So it is not unreasonable to assume that a working Hamel drum would be a
variant of the second type outlined above.
>Anyone know of new developments with the TOMI device, Ohsako's device,
>or the Minato wheel?
_Personally_ I regard these as yet more `white rabbits` which have been
`tucked back inside the magician`s hat` before anyone looks too closely.
But I do believe a magnetic motor is possible!
Thanks
Nick Hall
Manchester, UK
"The wise man proportions his belief according to the evidence" - David Hume
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