It's an interesting question about whether Hamel is or is not describing
reality with his claims. It could be that his claims are true or,
obviously, it could be the man's got some 'bats in the belfry'.
How to decide which? IMO, experiment and observation seem the only way to
know for sure. I've built and played with the spinner and you're right,
there's nothing of fundimental value in its function. I've not built, or
observed, or heard of anyone at all that has had any success in replicating
Hamel's claimed working devices, other than the spinner. We would hear if
someone accomplished this, right? It has to make you wonder. Based on the
available data it's my view that the ball is squarely in Hamel's court to
prove his own case - no one else, apparently, can do it for him. Are we a
bunch of dunder heads, or what? <g>.
Sometimes it seems a lot of people can emotionally entangle themselves in
the romance of a 'free-energy' technical breakthrough connected to aliens
and, just for good measure, ancient Egypt. A classic new age bait <g>.
Surely it can't be the available technical data that has some people
excited and interested? Hamel has the power to prove his case, if he can.
So why doesn't he, he's had heaps of time, or are we missing the point
entirely?
Perhaps he's just a nice hope filled guy that wants to be noticed, tell a
good yarn and sell a few books to 'cover costs'. That's not a bad thing, is
it? Perhaps if he told you that none of his claims were 100% true it
wouldn't be as entertaining? Like the 'War of the Worlds' broadcast... what
scary fun - except in this case no one ever, ever comes forward to tell you
it's just a radio play <g>.
JD, of course, came scrupulously clean on his April fools broadcast, good
on you Jerry, where would we be without simple honesty somewhere in the
world <g>.
Well, I'm off to worship my small brown river pebble, seems to work as good
as anything else... my sbrp cult promises perpetual bliss, through a system
of applied total ignorance, at small net cost compared to incalculable
gross reward. Every apprentice receives their own personalised sbrp, hand
crafted from ancient Egyption river beds by clever aliens from inside the
Earth with techniques far beyond our insignificant comprehension, honestly.
Only $19.99* Limit one per household. Hurry, I only need 1000 apprentices
to support me in a gold pressed latinum lifestyle of higher grace. This is
all absolutely and completely true and nobody can prove it otherwise
(except by demonstration which, IMO, is unlikely).
Anyway Russ, that's what I think about Hamel's claims, since you asked so
nicely. Bad claims won't halt the search, but they're a pain in the date.
Regards, Bill.
*per month
At 22:15 9/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all!
>I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts were, regarding the claims
>made by David Hamel. This seems to be a tough one to get a good handle
>on. The whole UFO abduction thing always sways me a bit to not belive the
>claims, but I do keep an open mind. Who knows, maybe he had some
>fantastic dreams that he interpreted as aliens, or maybe unknown psychic
>abilities played a role, or maybe aliens really were involved. One thing
>about the alien story that I wonder about, is the claims of the mysterious
>plant growth on the walls, etc., after these aliens make contact with him.
>None of the information I have read about on various web sites go into much
>detail on that. Have these plants been analyzed? If there are any strange
>properties to these plants, it might go to further substantiate his claims.
>Does anyone have any more information about that? I feel one of the
>biggest problems with trying to validate his claims is the fact that most
>of the information I have seen is through a second or third party. As he
>does not have a web site of his own, I must rely on other people relaying
>the information, and when that info is lacking important details, there is
>no way of knowing for sure if the information is being relayed correctly.
>Even with his books (I have not had the opportunity to read his books or
>view videos about him, and therefore can only relate to info I have read
>about them on the net), it seems they have been illustrated by other people
>and maybe even written by other people (with his help) and therefore maybe
>lacking details due to other people and not Hamel himself. As for his
>devices, they are of a nature such that I cannot easily look at and say
>whether they would or would not work, as is possible with some other
>devices, and unfortunately are not easily or cheaply able to be built (with
>the exception of the Hamel spinner with which I fail to see anything new or
>remarkable... am I missing something there?). The are however some
>promising aspects, such as the facts that he is not asking for anything,
>and that he seems to be investing a substantial amount of money in trying
>to build these devices. There are some other people out there trying to
>build his devices to validate his claims one way or the other, but
>unfortunately the one's I have seen tend to go away from the original
>plans, (again due to the lack of, or inaccuracy of information) and thus
>fail in leading us any closer to the truth. Anyway, most of you know the
>history here, so I will not go into it any more, I would just like to know
>what most of you think about it? All views are welcome, but I am mainly
>interested in views of people who are not directly involved (with the
>exception of any info relating to the plant growth, etc) and are therefore
>less likely to be biased in anyway. This is one of those cases where the
>inventor is still around and able to offer his experiences, and thus we
>should be able to prove one way or another whether it is real. The fact
>that we are still not any closer to knowing, only adds fuel for those who
>think he is just in it for the recognition, or worse. I am still
>optimistic, but my doubts are gaining ground. If we are unable to weed out
>the false claims than I fear we may miss the real thing..
>
>-Russ
>
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