Slavek Krepelka <slavek.krepelka@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I did run into these experiments before and the
> solution to the problem PROBABLY lies in the like
> electrical charge of the two bobs, or some
> other fairly common phenomenon.
I don't think so since one of the experiments did take
into account electricity as a cause. Its that
willingness to discard an anomaly that misses
something interesting and possibly useful. T
The original paper talked about the experiments being
done around 1901 in France and they did not mention
any electrified bobs, nor is electricity mentioned in
the Tamerak Mines experiment. Just to check, I dug
out the file CENTER1.ASC. Here are excerpts from the
file that was posted on the BBS from April 20th, 1991;
http://www.za.spiritweb.org/KeelyNet/UnClass/center1.asc.html
It should be obvious to the reader that since the
plumb bobs point AT THE CENTER OF THE EARTH, lines
projected TO the center of the Earth WOULD MEET AT
THAT CENTER, and likewise, lines projected into space
would continually move FURTHER APART.
Sometime prior to 1901, the French Government, wishing
to determine more accurately the ACTUAL SIZE OF THE
EARTH, so that they could revise and refine their
calculations regarding the DISTANCE TO THE SUN, hit on
a way to measure the difference in distance apart at
the top of two lines perpendicular to the surface of
the Earth and the bottom of those same two lines.
They wanted a pair of lines long enough to give them
an appreciable measurement. Obviously they could
not erect two parallel poles a mile high, but they
did feel they could SUSPEND two plumb bobs A MILE
DEEP INTO A MINE SHAFT, and thus be able to MEASURE
THE DISTANCE APART AT THE TOP AND THE DISTANCE
APART AT THE BOTTOM, which WOULD BE SLIGHTLY LESS (at
the bottom). They wanted to know exactly HOW MUCH
LESS.
Two mine shafts were selected, and plumb lines EXACTLY
4,250 feet long were suspended IN EACH MINE.
At the end of these lines a SIXTY POUND BOB was
hung. In order to PREVENT MOVEMENT THROUGH A
HORIZONTAL DIRECTION, each bob was suspended in a tank
of oil placed at the bottom of the mine shafts.
In this way, it was reasoned, MAGNETIC FORCES COULD
NOT AFFECT THEM.
The lines used to suspend the bobs were No. 24 piano
wires. For twenty-four hours the lines were allowed
to hang, so that there would be NO POSSIBILITY OF
MOVEMENT from putting them in place still remaining in
the lines. The measurements were begun.
It was then that it was discovered that the French
Geodetic engineers had NOT MADE A MISTAKE. Careful
re-checking proved that the lines, CONTRARY TO
EXPECTATIONS, were FARTHER APART AT THE BOTTOM THAN AT
THE TOP!!
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The Calumet mine tests also did not use electrified
pendulums or bobs, though earlier tests at Tamarack
did compensate for air currents and magnetism. Here
is the relevant Calumet excerpt;
This time TWO ELEVATOR SHAFTS into the mine were
used INSTEAD OF ONE, those numbered two and five.
These two were 4,250 feet APART, and were also 4,250
feet DEEP. They were connected at the bottom by a
perfectly straight transverse tunnel.
Now, plumb bobs were hung in each shaft, and
measurements were made. This time it was found that
the plumb lines were 8.22 inches FARTHER APART AT THE
BOTTOM of the pit than at the top.
It did not take the Tamarack engineer long to discover
that this figure exactly represents the DIVERGENCE
THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO COMPLETE A 360 DEGREE
SPHERICAL CIRCUMFERENCE.
(in other words, a SHELL OF FORCE AROUND THE EARTH)
There was only one difficulty - as expressed by the
plumb lines, it would be the CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE
INSIDE OF A SPHERE AND NOT THE OUTSIDE!!
....Further, the center of gravity, as expressed by the
angles formed by the plumb lines, would be
approximately 4,000 MILES OUT IN SPACE!!
The center of gravity, according to the plumb lines,
was a SPHERE'S SURFACE, some 16,000 MILES IN
DIAMETER!!
ANY PLACE, 4,000 MILES UP, WAS THE CENTER OF GRAVITY!!
> On the other hand, along the same line of
> reasoning, the people quarter of the globe away
> from the experiment should fall off the earth.
I'm a bit puzzled by that one.
> In that intance, a piano wire was used. No matter
> what the bobs might be made off, the wires
> themselves would introduce thermocouple current
> with its magnetic field. There is the unavoidable
> possibility that the first experiment was also
> influenced by a like charge, and the revission by
> another phenomena, i.e. magnetism or local
> gravitational anomaly.
Granted, a logical conclusion about like charge but
three different tests at three sites could not be a
local gravitational anomaly and magnetisms was not a
factor...another quote from the CENTER1 pape;
USING PHOSPHOR BRONZE WIRES instead of piano wires,
and LEAD BOBS for iron bobs. The Tamarack engineer,
delighted to clear his mind of its confusion, followed
these instructions to the letter - and came up with
PRECISELY THE SAME MEASUREMENTS as before..
> By the way, there would also be the centrifugal
> force of the earth spinn to be accounted for as
> well as the south north orientation in the case
> of the revission.
The centrifugal force is a possibility but if its not
magnetic that discounts the north/south magnetics.
> If the centre of gravity lied on a sphere, its
> geometry would stil be strictly centripetal. You
> can draw this in two D on paper.
The earlier excerpt from the CENTER1 article indicates
some kind of energy shell 4,000 miles from the
surface.
> This means that we are dealing with either a known
> phenomena, or an unknown one, or a combination of
> a few, but the gravity is not likely to be involved
> as the sole force.
I have to agree with that, however, they did discount
electric currents with phosphor bronze wire, magnetism
with lead bobs and air currents by being immersed in
oil.
So that leaves us with the centrifugal force of the
spinning earth and what else?
If you refer to the Wesley Gary claims of having
discovered a 'neutral zone' very close to the edge of
any magnet that could be a similar effect on a macro
scale with the earth. Now all things are magnetic to
some degree since they all consist of eletrons
rotating around atoms. So if the magnetic flux
density of our solar system is extremely high but we
can only sense deviations FROM THAT LEVEL, then
cancellation of that field as in the Gary 'neutral
zone' might well affect mass that is considered non
magnetic, check out the excerpt from;
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/gary.htm
Now let the iron be gradually lowered toward the
magnet; the nail drops off at the neutral line, but it
clings again when the iron is lowered below the line,
and now its point is turned outward, or away from the
magnetic pole below.
In this way Mr. Gary proves that the polarity of an
induced magnet is changed by passing over the neutral
line without coming in contact. In the experiment
strips of paper are placed under the soft iron, or
induced magnet, as shown in the figure, to prevent
contact.
The neutral line is shown to extend completely around
the magnet; and a piece of soft iron placed upon this
line will entirely cut off the attraction of the
magnet from any thing beyond. The action of this
cutoff is illustrated in Fig. 2.
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'Neutral line extends completely around the magnet'
....yep, that should apply to the earth since it too is
a big magnet.
The whole thing is puzzling, why the bobs would move
apart like that in three different experiments at
three places on the earth surface, all supporting each
other.
I think the Gary effect might have something to do
with it.
Despite the interesting ideas, I find it very
difficult to believe that we could be living inside a
hollow sphere, however if you read the book Etidorpha,
the claim is that the earth is hollow and there is a
zone of attraction which pulls matter toward it from
the outside in and from the inside towards it. That
means this attracted matter will form a shell around a
nucleus kind of like a meson or the Dyson Sphere.
The formation of that attractive energy shell is
caused by an interference between radiated energy from
the inside 'sun' colliding with incoming energy from
space, as in two forces which collide to form a
spherical bubble. The Etidorpha story claims if you
jump off a cliff from the outside, you will fall
downward with increasing acceleration until you reach
this zone of stillness. Your inertia will carry you
past the zone and into the the now attractive region
from the inside force radiating outward. Ideally your
angle will let you land somewhere on the other side,
so that you are not captured in this zone of
stillness.
So you have the pushing pressure from outside which
intensifies as it butts up against the pushing
pressure from inside...a gradient would be established
where the closer you get to this 'neutral zone' from
either side, the greater would be the push
(gravity)...when they completely cancel, you have the
neutral zone.
If this neutral zone shell is true AND the
measurements are true about a center of gravity
existing 4,000 miles above the planet all around us,
then it makes for a fascinating argument that we could
be living inside a hollow sphere.
'For the earth is hollow and I have touched the sky'
is an early Star Trek episode where the people were
travelling through space in a hollow planet, but they
had been there so long they forgot it was a
colonization ship. The computer went bonkers and
setup a religion that punished anyone for thinking
beyond specific limits so that no one questioned
anything.
I'd like to think there is some end goal here, as in a
machine we could build that would let us use the
phenomenon. The closest I can come up with is the
Gary motor since this 'neutral zone' is claimed to
exit in any magnet. Though he had a working self
running version, the extension of value was when he
did this;
A prominent electrician, who was one day examining Mr.
Gary's principle, asked if in the change of polarity
he had obtained electric sparks. He said that he had,
and the former then suggested that the principle be
used in the construction of a magneto-electric
machine, and that it might turn out to be superior to
anything then in use.
Acting on this suggestion, Mr. Gary set to work, and
within a week had perfected a machine which apparently
proved a marvel of efficiency and simplicity.
In all previous machines electricity is generated by
revolving a piece of soft iron in front of the poles
of a permanent magnet. But to do this at a rate of
speed high enough to produce sparks in such rapid
succession as to keep up a steady current of
electricity suitable for the light, considerable power
is required.
In Mr. Gary's machine, however, the piece of soft
iron, or armature, coiled with wire, has only to be
moved across the neutral line to secure the same
result.
Every time it crosses the line it changes it polarity,
and every time the polarity changes, a spark is
produced. The slightest vibration is enough to secure
this, and with each vibration two sparks are produced,
just as with each revolution in the other method. An
enormous volume can be secured with an expenditure of
force so diminutive that a caged squirrel might
furnish it.
With the employment of one of the smallest of the
magnetic motors, power may be supplied and electricity
generated at no expense beyond the cost of the
machine.
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Now that is something we can use in the real world.
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