Well, I guess its time for some additional info based on the following
personal email;
"Jerry W. Decker" <jdecker@keelynet.com> wrote:
>Hi ********!
>
>Hold on to your underwear...the world is about to ROCK...I'll post you
>details as soon as I can...YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HAS BEEN DONE!!!!
>TEAMWORK RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did I miss it?
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Another false alarm...my fault completely as I believed the guy. So a
small group of us worked on it privately agreeing that if it worked, we
would back him up in a shareware document.
Unfortunately, not one flipping thing he told us worked out....I need to
learn to shut up until I have SEEN IT...<g>....I just can't seem to get
it through my head that SOME PEOPLE LIE when they have some axe to grind
or they are working from an agenda.
Basically the 'inventor' said if you put a circular coil between two
aluminum plates that are charged with high voltage, that there is a
spinning field associated with capacitors and this field can be tapped
using a coil inside the field.
He said he based it on the capacitor/ball experiment which was reported
in a book, I thought it was 'How to Build a Flying Saucer' by Pawlicki,
but I can't find the details in that book....he also said it was
published in Sci Am in the 1960's.
The gist of the experiment was that the writer said he attended a
Canadian science fair and witnessed a project built by a kid. It was
two metal plates about 6" apart and charged with high voltage. I don't
recall any specific details which is why we have been trying to locate
that original comment and the Sci Am article if possible.
Basically two metal plates, charged with high voltage and separated by
about 6". When a metal ball bearing is placed on the bottom plate while
the high voltage is in action...the ball will move from the center out
to the outside rim and rotate around the edge of the plate without
falling off....the writer who reported this said everyone at the science
fair wondered at the effect but no one had an explanation.
I've been debating putting it as a request on the list because we'd
agreed we would not reveal the inventors claims 'if they worked'...but
since they didn't I don't think I or the others are under this
restriction, we never got specific plans either way, just some claims
and concepts, none of which bore out under test...so that is why I am
responding to your query and also posting it to the list to see if
anyone has knowledge of this and can help us locate the article or with
other information that might be of use.
Even such claims that would offer any possibility or claim of a free
energy device is just too important to not be looked into by as many
people as possible in hopes someone can actually duplicate or originate
one that works and will be shared with everyone in the world at the same
time.
Now, I didn't think we had a chance in hell until we could duplicate the
original ball bearing experiment, which no one has done or been able to
do. The invnentor who claimed the free energy device FINALLY admitted
he was never able to do it either (after he claimed to have burned up
his first unit), along with many other claims which turned out to be
bogus, yet his intriguing comments kept us excited about it.
He claimed he used a 15kvac neon transformer that was half wave
rectified to 'charge' the plates, then removed the power....and the
field sustained itself...???
That is why I and possibly others are still looking into the
possibilities even involving a potential connection to the Poynting
vector as the cause, which is why I posted those links to the list in an
attempt to understand it.
So, is it a 10kvdc charge; one shotted to charge the capacitor - this
should only produce a static field unless there is some kind of curl
effect in capacitive fields and I have seen references to just such a
curl.
Is it 10kvac which might provide such a rotating field?
Mow this spook inventor claimed that he thought it had to be a
collapsing field that would have to be restored, this would at least
provide some kind of swept gradient, that is the field would always be
charging.
I am of the opinion that it involved just such a field and have been
thinking along the lines of a high voltage DC supply that would feed the
plates slowly to provide an increasing charge. Right before the plates
achieve an amplitude equal to the supply, the power from the supply
would be removed.
Yes, I realize this equilibrium would be achieved very rapidly, based of
course on the size of the plates, the distance separating the plates,
the dielectric used and the current that is pushing the high voltage to
seep or push the charge through the dielectric.
Now understand this inventor and our little band started out with the
idea that high voltage stresses the aether and that by using high
voltage in the proper way, a hole would be created so that aether flowed
through that hole and 'translated' into voltage/current as determined by
the load.
So, based on that, you have to create a flow and NOT ALLOW IT TO EVER
REACH EQUILBRIUM. If it does, it KILLS the effect.
That's why you must have a swept field (the inventor says this
also)...thinking along these lines, the idea was to let the plates
charge up til they almost achieved the same potential as the power
supply was providing, then you remove the power. At that point, the
plates will begin to bleed off.
The idea being that the aether would entrain to the charging field which
again is WHY you cannot let it achieve the equilibrium of the supply,
otherwise if the flow STOPS, the entrainment of the aether STOPS.
My thinking has been that it was at this point, you must SHORT OUT THE
PLATES to prevent a cyclical pattern of build then bleed...you want it
to build, never achieve equilibrium, then discharge the accumulation
away from the capacitors. If it bleeds, then a negative flow is created
that balances out and kills off the entrainment effect of the aether.
The idea being to have an energy field that is moving in one direction,
swept ALWAYS IN A CHARGING PATTERN across the plates.
Now all this took place about 3 months ago and we were so excited. We
had two experiments which provided intriguing results, one indicating
anomalous voltages, the other anomalous temperatures. Both were
artefacts and not real.
I think the consensus was that a true method of measuring overunity/free
energy would be to use basic calorimetry. By that I mean let the output
power of the device feed a resistive heater immersed in water or oil,
then measure the heat with a thermometer.
If it varies considerably from the background temperature or when
compared to a separate yet identical volume of water or oil, then we
have liftoff...<g>..
So, if you or anyone reading this has any ideas on what is going on or
is inspired to try to duplicate the experiment, particularly if you can
find details of the ball bearing/capacitive plate experiment that you
can share so we can try to duplicate, I and others would be grateful.
I'm still looking for that original article and will post it if I find
it...its just too intriguing...if the ball spins, then something is
moving that ball...and that something should move THROUGH A COIL to
produce power....remember the ball is metal, therefore magnetic so we
have a moving magnetic field that SHOULD power the coil....
Do you see now why we were so excited? Again, I reiterate, if we can't
reproduce the original ball bearing experiment, we are spitting in the
wind...it must happen to show that there really is a moving field. It
could well be electrostatic repulsion but I'm hoping for a magnetic
field.
One other item of weirdness that needs to be said. This spook inventor
said he was using 22 or so gauge wire for his transformer coil, wound in
a donut so that the donut was nearest the outer edges of the lower
plate, where the field density would be greatest.
He says he was able to pull kilowatts of power from this coil...with 22
gauge wire??? He says that the ends of this 22 gauge wire that is still
between the capacitive plates must be connected to metal studs which
attach to the power wires that will feed the load. If these metal studs
aren't thick enough, they'll melt like a fuse when power is actually
drawn from the unit. Apparently indicating that power only MANIFESTS
outside the capacitive field. What a bizarre idea and it does seem to
tie in with the many claims of devices which use fine wire yet produce
volumes of power that would vaporize romex cable.
Finally that the loads you are trying to run must be provided with wire
capable of sustaining the current that the load will dissipate.
We certainly hoped this guy was on the level but nothing he told us was
verifiable and we were quite disappointed about the whole thing. YET,
hope springs eternal...perhaps this little memo might spur some thought,
research, discussion and even experiment on the subject.
Any comments or suggestions from others who were in our group? Please
respond on this thread so the messages all stay linked...thanks!
-- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187