Jerry Wayne Decker wrote:
> Hi Norman!
>
> Now that's interesting, I never heard it before but surely the
> oldtimers knew what they were talking about since it was the 'age of
> steam'.
>
> And Boyd's response that 'when it condenses it must contract 1676
> times'.
>
> To my view, normally, contraction produces heating while expansion
> produces cooling.
>
> In this case, the steam condenses to phase change to water with a loss
> of heat energy to produce cooling.
>
> With regard to this mechanical process from the 1800's that produced
> PRESSURE, would it be hydraulic pressure applied to water which I
> can't see doing anything, or would it be a suction where the water
> converts to vapor due to the rarified air media?
>
> Norm said 'at atmospheric pressure'.
>
> I can't help thinking this is a key consideration, that it is the
> pressure in which the water is released.
>
> A few years ago, at a Global Science Congress, a doctor friend (Dr.
> George Friebott) demonstrated what he called an 'ozone motor' which
> was based on Tesla's claim that liquid air could be extracted and used
> for power. George said the unit was built by a farmer up in his part
> of the country and had been kept in his barn.
>
> This device was totally mechanical and ran on compressed air. The
> stage on which the device was tested consisted of several joined
> platforms, each of which were about 2 foot high by 10 feet long by 5
> feet wide.
>
> A small air compressor was attached to the unit and roughly 10psi was
> injected into the motor. It spun and produced torque on the shaft
> that could not be stopped by hand.
>
> The air pressure was gradually increased to 15 and then 20 psi, where
> the motor began moving all over the platforms and ended up pushing
> them apart. We were all amazed that such mechanicl power could come
> from such low air pressure but we saw it.
>
> There is a book called 'Liquid Air' from Lindsay Publications which
> gives some information about using air as a source of fuel when
> condensed. It also ties in to the claims of the late Ed Boese who
> used liquid nitrogen, expanded to 980 times its volume and driving an
> air motor to run a car...check out;
>
> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/boese.htm
>
> there are at least two other inventors who claimed to have run their
> automobile on compressed air which I believe had been separated to
> produce pure oxygen which exploded in the presence of the cylinder
> spark.
>
> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/airmotor.txt
>
> So I think this line of research offers great promise. The biggest
> problem or benefit, depending on your point of view, is it involves
> experiments that would require machining and metalworking.
>
> The idea of a purely mechanical system to produce pressure from water,
> and that can be scaled up to any pressure desired interests me no end.
>
> ---Norman Wootan wrote:
> >
> > I believe that if you will take the time to go to the library and
> find a
> > book on old steam engines and boilers you will find the widely
> accepted
> > rule that one (1) gallon of water will make 1700 gallons of steam at
> > atmospheric pressure. I was taught that by my grandfather back when
> I was
> > a little kid and have never forgotten it. Norm
>
> Jerry Decker wrote;
> > > >The guy says he ROUTINELY produced 15-17 psi for his experiments
> just
> > > >by somehow manipulating water mechanically....this is VERY
> IMPORTANT
> > > >and I've not been able to find anyone who has a clue about it.
> > > >
> > > >Why? Because he said that using this same mechanical technique he
> > > >could easily generate any pressure so desired simply by scaling
> up the
> > > >device.
>
> > > >---Boytrell@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Today we have vacuums as high as 28.5 inches of Hg. Thats not
> > > >difficult to believe when you know that when water first starts to
> > > >boil it expands 1676 times, so it's easy to see that when it
> > > >condenses it must contract 1676 times.
>
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