Re: Fwd: Dennis Lee was half way there.

Norman Wootan ( normw@fastlane.net )
Sat, 21 Nov 1998 11:59:19 -0600

Jerry: Tesla was very fastinated with liquid air for if you look at the
"carnot" cycle to determine overal efficiencies it is based on "absolute
temperature" Kelvin. In Tesla's time, turn of the century, liquid air was
a method of playing with conversion of ambient temperature conversion to
energy by shifting the "cold sink" temperature down closer to absolute
zero. I think liquid air is somewhere around -140 degree C. Don't sware to
that figure for I didn't look it up. In the previous post on Dennis Lee's
heat pump system, if he would establish a cold sink temperature down in
this region then the efficiencies would "sky rocket". Like fish in the
pond, our environment is very comfortable, but relative to absolute zero it
is hotter than hell and contains a very high level of energy that is there
to be taped. It is all relative. Norm

Jerry Wayne Decker wrote:

> Hi Norman!
>
> Now that's interesting, I never heard it before but surely the
> oldtimers knew what they were talking about since it was the 'age of
> steam'.
>
> And Boyd's response that 'when it condenses it must contract 1676
> times'.
>
> To my view, normally, contraction produces heating while expansion
> produces cooling.
>
> In this case, the steam condenses to phase change to water with a loss
> of heat energy to produce cooling.
>
> With regard to this mechanical process from the 1800's that produced
> PRESSURE, would it be hydraulic pressure applied to water which I
> can't see doing anything, or would it be a suction where the water
> converts to vapor due to the rarified air media?
>
> Norm said 'at atmospheric pressure'.
>
> I can't help thinking this is a key consideration, that it is the
> pressure in which the water is released.
>
> A few years ago, at a Global Science Congress, a doctor friend (Dr.
> George Friebott) demonstrated what he called an 'ozone motor' which
> was based on Tesla's claim that liquid air could be extracted and used
> for power. George said the unit was built by a farmer up in his part
> of the country and had been kept in his barn.
>
> This device was totally mechanical and ran on compressed air. The
> stage on which the device was tested consisted of several joined
> platforms, each of which were about 2 foot high by 10 feet long by 5
> feet wide.
>
> A small air compressor was attached to the unit and roughly 10psi was
> injected into the motor. It spun and produced torque on the shaft
> that could not be stopped by hand.
>
> The air pressure was gradually increased to 15 and then 20 psi, where
> the motor began moving all over the platforms and ended up pushing
> them apart. We were all amazed that such mechanicl power could come
> from such low air pressure but we saw it.
>
> There is a book called 'Liquid Air' from Lindsay Publications which
> gives some information about using air as a source of fuel when
> condensed. It also ties in to the claims of the late Ed Boese who
> used liquid nitrogen, expanded to 980 times its volume and driving an
> air motor to run a car...check out;
>
> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/boese.htm
>
> there are at least two other inventors who claimed to have run their
> automobile on compressed air which I believe had been separated to
> produce pure oxygen which exploded in the presence of the cylinder
> spark.
>
> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/airmotor.txt
>
> So I think this line of research offers great promise. The biggest
> problem or benefit, depending on your point of view, is it involves
> experiments that would require machining and metalworking.
>
> The idea of a purely mechanical system to produce pressure from water,
> and that can be scaled up to any pressure desired interests me no end.
>
> ---Norman Wootan wrote:
> >
> > I believe that if you will take the time to go to the library and
> find a
> > book on old steam engines and boilers you will find the widely
> accepted
> > rule that one (1) gallon of water will make 1700 gallons of steam at
> > atmospheric pressure. I was taught that by my grandfather back when
> I was
> > a little kid and have never forgotten it. Norm
>
> Jerry Decker wrote;
> > > >The guy says he ROUTINELY produced 15-17 psi for his experiments
> just
> > > >by somehow manipulating water mechanically....this is VERY
> IMPORTANT
> > > >and I've not been able to find anyone who has a clue about it.
> > > >
> > > >Why? Because he said that using this same mechanical technique he
> > > >could easily generate any pressure so desired simply by scaling
> up the
> > > >device.
>
> > > >---Boytrell@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Today we have vacuums as high as 28.5 inches of Hg. Thats not
> > > >difficult to believe when you know that when water first starts to
> > > >boil it expands 1676 times, so it's easy to see that when it
> > > >condenses it must contract 1676 times.
>
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