Re: Fwd: Dennis Lee was half way there.

Norman Wootan ( normw@fastlane.net )
Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:14:53 -0600

I believe that if you will take the time to go to the library and find a
book on old steam engines and boilers you will find the widely accepted
rule that one (1) gallon of water will make 1700 gallons of steam at
atmospheric pressure. I was taught that by my grandfather back when I was
a little kid and have never forgotten it. Norm

Kenneth Carrigan wrote:

> This somewhat follows the thermodynamics laws of PV=nRT or
> Boyles and Charles law combined. P=pressure, V=Volume,
> n= number of moles, R= gas constant (.0821) and T is Temperature
> in Kelvin. However, I do not see that 1676 times expansion. With
> only temperature changing and pressure - open to atmosphere.. the
> volume change would be on the order of 212F/70F or 3 times the
> expansion when it boils? Unless we are talking about something
> else like splitting the water molecule into O2 and H2... which would
> be quite an expansion! I think Keely split the water molecule into
> Hydrogen and Oxygen.. maybe even futher.. like the bubble in
> sonoluminescence where it actually glows blue at 10,000 degrees
> just from sound waves focused.
>
> v/r Ken Carrigan
>
> >Hi Boyd!
> >
> >Thanks for the interesting information which I did post to the list so
> >expect some questions..<g>..
> >
> >I was most intrigued by your comment about the expansion of water by
> >1676 times its volume.
> >
> >I knew nitrogen going from its cryogenic state to a gas state will
> >expand 980 times its volume but this was new to me.
> >
> >The reason I am so enthralled with it is because of a claim written in
> >the late 1800's about Keely type stuff from a guy who said there was a
> >'commonly known' method of producing a mechanically derived pressure
> >from water.
> >
> >Apparently involving cooling in the process but I'd have to look up
> >the details (only in a small letter to a newspaper which I've posted
> >here before).
> >
> >The guy says he ROUTINELY produced 15-17 psi for his experiments just
> >by somehow manipulating water mechanically....this is VERY IMPORTANT
> >and I've not been able to find anyone who has a clue about it.
> >
> >Why? Because he said that using this same mechanical technique he
> >could easily generate any pressure so desired simply by scaling up the
> >device.
> >
> >It was apparently a very small table top unit that produced the 15-17
> >psi.
> >
> >Do you have any thoughts on this???
> >=============================
> >---Boytrell@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >Today we have vacuums as high as 28.5 inches of Hg. Thats not
> >difficult to believe when you know that when water first starts to
> >boil it expands 1676 times, so it's easy to see that when it
> >condenses it must contract 1676 times.
> >
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