Jerry Wayne Decker wrote:
> Hi Dusty!
>
> ---Dusty Rhodes wrote:
> > Hi Jerry,
> >
> > I think you are asking the proper question now. I believe that we will
> > find that as electro-static potential builds in a vacuum it will
> reach a
> > point at which no more energy can be stored. If energy continues to
> build,
> > a storehouse for the excess will emerge. We call this storehouse
> matter
> > and includes all it's associated effects. Tom Bearden made reference
> to
> > this in his Book called Fer-de-Lance when he mentioned the work of
> Soviet
> > physicists of creating matter from nothing. I also believe that we
> will
> > find that if we statically charge already physically existing matter
> > further, we will be electrically increasing it's gravitational field
> by
> > increasing it's apparent mass without actually physically increasing
> said
> > mass. Is this perhaps the connection to which you are referring?
> > Consider the effect: as the apparent mass increases, the inherent
> > gravitational field will also increase. As this field increases, it
> > interacts with all gravitational fields around it (finds it's balance
> > point). Think these reactions may be observed as strange by most of
> us.
> > Check out brown_antigravity.pdf and see what you think is going on
> > here.
> >
> > Dusty
>
> I'm not so sure about increasing mass just from high density
> electrostatic energy applied to a mass. Same for gravity though there
> are numerous reports that indicate gravity is altered to some degree
> when using high voltage or electrical disruptions of a peculiar
> nature. Both of these are quite testable.
Just a theory, thought it may be worth some consideration.
>
>
> There are more than a couple of reports that high voltage
> electrostatic discharges in a vacuum will produce excess energy and
> Zielinski indicated that such discharges could generate a 'gravity
> well' in front of an object to cause it to move or more precisely BE
> PUSHED, in that direction.
> A recent claimant who could well be bogus, indicated that a purely
> electrostatic field between two metal plates could somehow intereact
> with a coil to produce power yet without appreciably draining the
> static ES field.
>
> If the field was static, then how can there be any inductive coupling
> to a coil since it requires an alternating or pulsed discharge through
> the coil windings to induce a flow of current...as we normally
> consider it.
I can't see how either. Curious.
>
>
> The closest thing I've come to regarding this aledged phenomenon is
> that only so much energy can be crammed into a given area of space and
> then it has to go through some kind of 'phase change', like vapor to
> water to ice...
I like to call it a "Metamorphosis of Energy to Matter" for want of a better
term.
>
>
> The other thing is the properties of energy in a vacuum and how they
> might well attach to other energies such as zpe/aether so that you got
> more out than in.
>
> Hurwitsch says it is something that is so BASIC that we are missing
> it...I am so tired of hearing that, that we are missing WHAT???
Hurwitsch must be referring to " the obvious ", which is usually pretty hard
to see. Like the best place to hide is in plain sight. Mario Erra and I have
been having a conversation about these same things lately. It is he that I
have to thank for the Brown pdf file that looks like it didn't survive as a
link. So sorry about that. Perhaps Mario will post it for all to check out
cause I think some of " the obvious" stuff is being demonstrated there. And
like I told Mario, suppose that the universe and all matter in it is only a
'result' of an intense static field and we found a way to short to ground.
Talk about an oops!
>
>
> Well, a lot of people I know think that when the breakthrough comes,
> we will all kick ourselves at how simple it was and how we missed it,
> forest for the trees and all that jazz....
>
> You might want to check out the following URL @ Gravity's Gate;
>
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Launchpad/5971/
This is a great link. Thanks a lot.
Does anyone know what will happen if you wire an alternator so that each
energy pulse is sent to the next pole in succession alternately + and - so
that no charge is taken out but fed back in to enable the alternator to
'chase it's tail' once started, so to speak. Tesla described such a device
but as far as I can determine, no one has ever checked it out except I think
maybe the US Navy in Philadelphia.
>
>
> =========================
> >
> > Jerry Wayne Decker wrote:
> >
> > Hi Folks!
> >
> > I am perturbed of late about an apparent energy relationship that it
> > seems we are missing.
> >
> > Are there one or more unknown relationships between magnetism
> > (produced by current flow) and potential (voltage generally likened to
> > pressure)?
> >
> > From the file;
> >
> > http://www.keelynet.com/energy/entebbe.htm
> >
> > =======================
> > "sends out electronic rays to ALTER the NATURAL COMPOSITION of
> > MAGNETIC FIELDS and CENTRES OF GRAVITY of weapons, instrument dials
> > and mechanical devices.
> >
> > Hurwich insists his device is not really an invention. He says he
> > simply 'took one of the oldest BASIC principles of electricity and put
> > it to a different use.'
> >
> > It only works on objects that WILL CARRY A CURRENT, he says. It can be
> > aimed and ITS RANGE DEPENDS ON ITS POWER SOURCE! "
> > ========================
> > Other claims indicate there is some form of energy which can be
> > converted or translated from an 'inert' form to a manifestation of
> > power.
> >
> > That small gauge wire can carry 200 Watts or more of power when IN
> > THIS PECULIAR FORM without vaporizing like a fuse. And that only when
> > this energy is converted or translated to include the missing
> > component(s) whether magnetic or whatever, will the true power be
> > shown.
> >
> > John Bedinis' scalar amplifiers which as in Peter Kellys' Betar units
> > claim to be able to transfer power in this manner, without any
> > apparent resistance and yet having the full ability to produce the
> > power on demand.
> >
> > The mythical Floyd Sweet VTA also used fine gauge wires yet manifested
> > upwards of 1200 Watts of what he called 'cold current'.
> >
> > I always thought this was in reference to a cold magnetic, implosive
> > energy as opposed to the normal hot electric, explosive energy that we
> > use.
> >
> > My understanding in the past was that this energy form was scalar in
> > nature. A pure Electric field without any magnetic component, created
> > using Dr. Hoopers 'Moebius' configuration to produce his 'motional'
> > i.e. pure electric field, or even something as simple as a Smith coil
> > (45 degree coil windings) or a bifilar. Shinichi Seike in Japan also
> > used torroidal and moebius coils to produce odd effects.
> >
> > The electric field is aledged to pass through all matter with almost
> > no reduction in amplitude because it does not comprise capacitive (as
> > in electrostatic) or inductive energies.
> >
> > So, we apparently have;
> >
> > 1) the ability to transfer a 'pattern of power' which will not be
> > subject to resistance, inductance or capacitance, yet, under the right
> > conditions, be capable of manifesting large quantities of power at a
> > point of use (the load), possibly magnetic/attractive/implosive in
> > nature
> >
> > 2) the ability to interact/interfere with magnetism in some way to
> > alter its influence on mass.
> >
> > With regard to both of these, magnetism seems to be the one major
> > link.
> >
> > Is there a way that a pure electric field can be projected, perhaps
> > like the point emission claimed from a scalar caduceus coil? This
> > would take the form of a beam (electronic ray) that Hurwitch talks
> > about and be something he would have been quite able to do with his
> > equipment.
> >
> > Perhaps to wind a coil in such a way, maybe a solenoidal coil or
> > grouping of them that projected a pure electric field to interefere
> > with magnetic flux.
> >
> > Maybe even one coil that was swept or vibrated so that the beam
> > scanned over a given area to alter the magnetic flux.
> >
> > In a similar magnetic flux interference vein, can power be
> > 'suppressed' using something like this pure electric field so that it
> > was zipped up or compressed or enfolded using this electric field or
> > some variant of it (as in scalar???)
> >
> > Does anyone have any insights or links to such a phenomenon?
> >
>
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Jerry Wayne Decker wrote:
Hi Dusty!Just a theory, thought it may be worth some consideration.---Dusty Rhodes wrote:
> Hi Jerry,
>
> I think you are asking the proper question now. I believe that wewill
> find that as electro-static potential builds in a vacuum it will
reach a
> point at which no more energy can be stored. If energy continuesto
build,
> a storehouse for the excess will emerge. We call this storehouse
matter
> and includes all it's associated effects. Tom Bearden made reference
to
> this in his Book called Fer-de-Lance when he mentioned the work of
Soviet
> physicists of creating matter from nothing. I also believe that we
will
> find that if we statically charge already physically existing matter
> further, we will be electrically increasing it's gravitational field
by
> increasing it's apparent mass without actually physically increasing
said
> mass. Is this perhaps the connection to which you are referring?
> Consider the effect: as the apparent mass increases, the inherent
> gravitational field will also increase. As this field increases,it
> interacts with all gravitational fields around it (finds it's balance
> point). Think these reactions may be observed as strange by mostof
us.
> Check out brown_antigravity.pdf and see whatyou think is going on
> here.
>
> DustyI'm not so sure about increasing mass just from high density
electrostatic energy applied to a mass. Same for gravity thoughthere
are numerous reports that indicate gravity is altered to some degree
when using high voltage or electrical disruptions of a peculiar
nature. Both of these are quite testable.
There are more than a couple of reports that high voltage
electrostatic discharges in a vacuum will produce excess energy and
Zielinski indicated that such discharges could generate a 'gravity
well' in front of an object to cause it to move or more precisely BE
PUSHED, in that direction.
A recent claimant who could well be bogus, indicatedthat a purelyI can't see how either. Curious.
electrostatic field between two metal plates could somehow intereact
with a coil to produce power yet without appreciably draining the
static ES field.If the field was static, then how can there be any inductive coupling
to a coil since it requires an alternating or pulsed discharge through
the coil windings to induce a flow of current...as we normally
consider it.
I like to call it a "Metamorphosis of Energy to Matter" for want of a betterterm.The closest thing I've come to regarding this aledged phenomenon is
that only so much energy can be crammed into a given area of spaceand
then it has to go through some kind of 'phase change', like vapor to
water to ice...
Hurwitsch must be referring to " the obvious ", which is usually prettyhard to see. Like the best place to hide is in plain sight. Mario Erraand I have been having a conversation about these same things lately. Itis he that I have to thank for the Brown pdf file that looks like it didn'tsurvive as a link. So sorry about that. Perhaps Mario will post it forall to check out cause I think some of " the obvious" stuff is beingdemonstrated there. And like I told Mario, suppose that the universe andall matter in it is only a 'result' of an intense static field and we founda way to short to ground. Talk about an oops!
The other thing is the properties of energy in a vacuum and how they
might well attach to other energies such as zpe/aether so that yougot
more out than in.Hurwitsch says it is something that is so BASIC that we are missing
it...I am so tired of hearing that, that we are missing WHAT???
This is a great link. Thanks a lot.Well, a lot of people I know think that when the breakthrough comes,
we will all kick ourselves at how simple it was and how we missed it,
forest for the trees and all that jazz....You might want to check out the following URL @ Gravity's Gate;
=========================
>
> Jerry Wayne Decker wrote:
>
> Hi Folks!
>
> I am perturbed of late about an apparent energy relationship thatit
> seems we are missing.
>
> Are there one or more unknown relationships between magnetism
> (produced by current flow) and potential (voltage generally likenedto
> pressure)?
>
> From the file;
>
> http://www.keelynet.com/energy/entebbe.htm
>
> =======================
> "sends out electronic rays to ALTER the NATURAL COMPOSITION of
> MAGNETIC FIELDS and CENTRES OF GRAVITY of weapons, instrument dials
> and mechanical devices.
>
> Hurwich insists his device is not really an invention. He says he
> simply 'took one of the oldest BASIC principles of electricity andput
> it to a different use.'
>
> It only works on objects that WILL CARRY A CURRENT, he says. It canbe
> aimed and ITS RANGE DEPENDS ON ITS POWER SOURCE! "
> ========================
> Other claims indicate there is some form of energy which can be
> converted or translated from an 'inert' form to a manifestation of
> power.
>
> That small gauge wire can carry 200 Watts or more of power when IN
> THIS PECULIAR FORM without vaporizing like a fuse. And thatonly when
> this energy is converted or translated to include the missing
> component(s) whether magnetic or whatever, will the true power be
> shown.
>
> John Bedinis' scalar amplifiers which as in Peter Kellys' Betar units
> claim to be able to transfer power in this manner, without any
> apparent resistance and yet having the full ability to produce the
> power on demand.
>
> The mythical Floyd Sweet VTA also used fine gauge wires yet manifested
> upwards of 1200 Watts of what he called 'cold current'.
>
> I always thought this was in reference to a cold magnetic, implosive
> energy as opposed to the normal hot electric, explosive energy thatwe
> use.
>
> My understanding in the past was that this energy form was scalarin
> nature. A pure Electric field without any magnetic component,created
> using Dr. Hoopers 'Moebius' configuration to produce his 'motional'
> i.e. pure electric field, or even something as simple as a Smithcoil
> (45 degree coil windings) or a bifilar. Shinichi Seike in Japanalso
> used torroidal and moebius coils to produce odd effects.
>
> The electric field is aledged to pass through all matter with almost
> no reduction in amplitude because it does not comprise capacitive(as
> in electrostatic) or inductive energies.
>
> So, we apparently have;
>
> 1) the ability to transfer a 'pattern of power'which will not be
> subject to resistance, inductance or capacitance, yet, under theright
> conditions, be capable of manifesting large quantities of power ata
> point of use (the load), possibly magnetic/attractive/implosive in
> nature
>
> 2) the ability to interact/interfere with magnetismin some way to
> alter its influence on mass.
>
> With regard to both of these, magnetism seems to be the one major
> link.
>
> Is there a way that a pure electric field can be projected, perhaps
> like the point emission claimed from a scalar caduceus coil? This
> would take the form of a beam (electronic ray) that Hurwitch talks
> about and be something he would have been quite able to do with his
> equipment.
>
> Perhaps to wind a coil in such a way, maybe a solenoidal coil or
> grouping of them that projected a pure electric field to interefere
> with magnetic flux.
>
> Maybe even one coil that was swept or vibrated so that the beam
> scanned over a given area to alter the magnetic flux.
>
> In a similar magnetic flux interference vein, can power be
> 'suppressed' using something like this pure electric field so thatit
> was zipped up or compressed or enfolded using this electric fieldor
> some variant of it (as in scalar???)
>
> Does anyone have any insights or links to such a phenomenon?
>_________________________________________________________
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