Hi Folks!
Here are some interesting comments about gyroscopic action.
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> I had read about a proposed experiment with gyroscopes in space that > was to test the effects of space distortion using gyroscopes
Gravity Probe B.
> pointed at (reiger?) I think.
Rigel.
> I had several questions and I hope you can help me answer.
> The experiment is predicated on the fact that gyroscopes will
> hold an absolute position once they are pointed at something
They hold an absolute position in the absence of gravity or forces. The
whole point of this experiment is that their orientation precesses due
to gravitomagnetic effects (which are present in general relativity, but
not in ordinary Newtonian gravity).
> as long as the energy that keeps them spinning is constant.
Gyroscopes don't have "an energy that keeps them spinning" in the sense
that they require energy input to continue spinning. They'll just do
that by themselves, conserving angular momentum.
> But when I set up a gyroscope, it spins around in circles.
That's a precession due to the fact that there is a force (of gravity)
that doesn't point along the axis of rotation.
Gravity acting on the center of mass of the gyroscope causes a torque at
the gyroscope's point of contact with the surface on which it is
resting.
If you spun the gryoscope perfectly vertically, it wouldn't do that
(until friction perturbed it) because the force would be acting directly
through the center of mass, nor would it precess like that if it were in
free fall (because it is not in contact with any surface capable of
inducing a torque).
> So I thought what they must be saying was that the angle of the axis
> must remain constant, but that isn't right either. When I spin a
> gyroscope,the axis climbs to a more upright position in the beginning.
This is a related effect. It wouldn't happen if the gyroscope were in
free fall, not touching anything that's applying a torque to it.
The Gravity Probe B satellite will be in orbit, so its gyroscope will
be in free fall. Thus, it should hold perfectly still.
Or at least, it would if there were no gravity. Since there is, general
relativity says that there can be a gravitomagnetically-induced torque
called the Lense-Thirring effect.
If you have further questions about general gryoscopic motion, try
sci.physics; they're very experienced with explaining all the nuances.
(Gyroscopic motion can be quite subtle, what with precessions and
nutations and such.)
If you have further questions about the Lense-Thirring effect or Gravity
Probe B, sci.physics.relativity is the place to go.
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The comments about gyroscopic action being in free fall and NOT
producing a torque since there is no fixed surface touching it is
intriguing for two reasons.
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Reason number one is that Newman has a gyroscopic principle which as I
understand it claims to tap into this very gyroscopic precession effect.
The action of rotating atoms means they inherently have this gyroscope
action and Newman claims to take advantage of it by using very long coil
windings, preferably spread over distance.
At a workshop a couple of years ago, Newman made the comment that he had
told the Navy if they made a long coil winding that would extend from
the front of a ship to the rear, it would take only a couple of small
transistor sized batteries to run it.
He also said narrow, wide motor coil windings can't take advantage of
his energy discovery but long coil windings, as on a horizontal axis
where the coils cover a wide area, do produce the effects he reports in
his massive coil windings.
Interestingly enough, he also showed a picture of a model flying machine
which he said could lift tons. It required a very large surface area
and his model in the picture looked to be a balloon with aluminum foil
wrapped on it though I understood it to have COILS OF WIRE which would
be spread out over this wide surface area to interact with gravity in
some way.
I took digital photos of the article and photo but my new digital camera
was later stolen at JFK airport so all the photos were lost from the
conference...as I recall it Newman indicated that a very large platform
with electrically energized coils would interact with gravity to help
lift very heavy payloads.
I thought it very reminiscent of DeSeversky's Ionocraft and to some
degree TT Brown, but this was different because there seemed to be some
kind of gravity interaction by the coils over the large surface area.
One day I hope to get this article and picture to post as it is most
intriguing.
At any rate, this tells me that he is saying the key to high efficiency
or even overunity motor effects is the flow of GRAVITY or Aether/zpe
through the coil windings, your choice, passing through the mass of coil
windings which are spread over a wide surface area.
The discrete gyroscopic action of each atom of each molecule could be
made to constructively interfere with the flow of gravity/aether as it
passed through the widely surfaced coil wire windings.
I am thinking the gravity/aether/zpe influx through the atoms of the
wide surfaced coil windings, would add energy to the electrons in
rotation about the nucleii, meaning that energy could be extracted.
It is probable that as energy is added to the outside shells which
collapse to release that energy, that photons would be emitted, though
in our case, we would want just the electrons, kind of a pumped system.
Using Keely principles you could induce harmony in the mass aggregate
structure to create a low level Bose Einstein Condensate effect. Keely
referred to this as 'graduation', that is making all the atoms in the
mass rotate in harmony which would reduce the resistance and impedance
of the mass to energy flows.
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Reason number two is the experiments with falling bodies where it was
found that a mass rotating in a CCW direction would fall SLOWER (weight
loss) than a mass rotating in a CW direction. Here is a report of the
Japanese test;
http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/gyroag.htm
This indicates a definite interaction with rotating masses, such as
gyroscopes. Another interesting phenomenon is the induction of
so-called 'matter current's as in the quote;
"The gravitomagnetic field of a rotating black hole would induce
matter currents in an inspiraling neutron star that could influence
the star's spin, internal structure and orbital motion," Shapiro
said.
as from the file; http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/gravindu.htm
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There is one more correlation from the claims of Perrigo who claimed to
be able to tap 'aetheric energy'. Now this is a bit different. He
constructed these interesting coil arrangements which were simply
bundled coil wires. To describe it as shown in the drawings, you cut
many short pieces of wire, then bundle them all together, like a bundle
of straws, then solder the ends together.
When positioned in an upright position each of these bundles had a very
slight voltage induced in it, especially when placed in proximity to
other such bundles.
The basic unit was a board with 10 X 10 bundle combinations where each
bundle was cross connected in a specific pattern so that the energy
derived from each bundle was additive.
As I understand it, the cross connected wire pattern works in most
places but works best when 'tuned' for a specific location because of
the natural flow of the incoming 'aetheric energy' for that area and
which induced the electricity.
Each wire would have gravity moving down through it and apparently could
produce a low level voltage from this flow. It would act like a filter
or resistor as the gravity moved through it and into the earth. If you
bundle many of these together and connect them electrically by the
soldered tops and bottoms of the bundle, you might well create a
DIFFERENCE OF POTENTIAL, here I mean gravity that could induce some kind
of electron current.
By placing many of these bundles in such a 10 X 10 grid, you would span
a wider surface area for gravity to flow through.
Isn't this intriguing that if gravity was TRYING to flow through the
bundles and being TRANSLATED to electricity, then it would create a
gravity well in the immediate area that might increase the local flow of
gravity to sustain the amount of energy being withdrawn for the
electrical load.
Lots of clues in these experiments which indicate we are on the verge of
something that just needs some testing.
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