Re: Objective Art - When reasoning fails

Dennis C. Lee ( (no email) )
Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:12:39 -0700

Hi Don and all;

Sorry for the delay. I had to catch up on some Autocad drawings.

At 11:01 PM 9/25/98 -0500, Don J. S. Adams wrote:
>Hi Dennis!
>
>
>Like the fellow who critiqued you... I too didnt pay much attention
>to your initial poem posts. Until you said to read it again. WOW!
>Am I ever glad I did! Very cool... AND relevant in my humble opinion!
>Nicely done and thanks for sharing it! I really appreciate your perspective
>and different / refreshing views. Please explain the following if you don't
>mind;
>
>1.) Nonconfrontational modes as alternative to flame wars, this appears
> to be a subtle suggestion on your part for motiviating people who disagree
> to use more 'civil' methods of discussion. However I get the feeling
> you are indicating something deeper here...something more... please explain?

I think that the same info could be exchanged as a team effort to find the
truth as opposed to a seemingly unfriendly arguement. If people did their
homework and were persistant, fuzzy info would become clear. I'd bet that
every OU device discussed here has truth behind it and does work as claimed.
The difficulty, I believe, is trying to replicate the experiment with out
going through the 10, 20 ... or 50 years of development the inventor went
through. Getting angry if it doesn't work on the first try may be
unreasonable in such a case.

>2.) Really loved the extracted text from the book! Simply wonderful! I
have been
> of this opinion myself for a very long time also! See my post on Acoustic
> Fractals! Amazing beautiful music generated from recursive math!

I immediately went to that URL when you mentioned it. I always thought it
possible to compose music with equations. Anyone got an equation to midi
stream generator? I know immediately when I hear music that I find
appealing. I'd like to be able to translate those favorite musical segments
to an equation. Then I'd know how to compose with equations.

Reflections
> of eternity? But here is a question for you, is it possible to precisely
> isolate and define these 'real' properties of which the author speaks?

I live at the Piano Factory which is a community for artists of all
disciplines. The evil landlord prepaid the 1% MHFA mortgage and wants to
disperse us because of money. We have a gallery where shows are held. I
think striving to express greater numbers of levels in an art piece is fun
and challenging. An OU device interacting with higher dimensions would
instill a greater sense of awe and mystery than say a picture of a bowl of
fruit. The NEA would not have things like a crucifix submerged in urine
given an objective art criterea for grants.

> If so can they be described without the use of anecdotal stories, emotional
> associations or such? I felt the author seemed to still rely on sensate
> representations, i.e. metaphorical meanings perceived as being embedded
> in the statue at Hindu Kush. I mean shouldnt the 'values' or meaning
transcend
> what he provided as the detailed explanations of their perceptions? But then
> I supose how do we use the serial phonetic construct of our language to
adequately
> contain an idea that is even beyond lateral thinking... way, way beyond....
> perhaps even on the outside of everything we perceive in our consensus,
contextual
> physical reality.... hmmmm perhaps it is in this modality of thinking that
we would
> need to be to ever truly discover 'FREE ENERGY'. Hey, you know... the
more I think
> about your post the MORE I REALLY LIKE IT!!!!!! ;) GIVE US MORE!!!!

What do you think of this? Is information or knowledge an energy form? If
so, when one teaches another, there is energy transfer. However, one still
knows this info. Given the conservation of energy law, how can this be? Has
energy been created when learning occurs? Does the teacher have an info
vacuum from this knowledge transfer that compells the universe to fill this
void with new knowledge? Is information the ultimate Free Energy?

Dennis

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