Re: Thoughts on being a man....

Don J. S. Adams ( (no email) )
Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:37:05 -0500

Michelle,

>
> Thought I'd might as well post my "private" reply to Don on the list,
> since it was all out in the open anyway. But then, I had a second
> thought, someone ought to act like a man, and do the right thing, so,
> I'll continue to keep my "private" thoughts off list, and in private.

I did not realize there was anything in the post that would be sensitive to you.
I wanted to share the URL in there with members who might have found it of interest.
While I may challenge your perceptions, I do not have any agenda to make you feel bad
as a person. Why would I? I don't even know you? Either I made a mistake
and should have seen the contents as a private message only, that if being the
case then I apologise for this or the other possibility is that there wasnt anything
inherently private in the message and for some reason you're being overly sensitive?
Frankly I'm baffled at this whole scene...

> Don't worry Don, I'll be the man for you. I've been doing it the last
> 12 years that I have been married to my husband, I can do it for you.

Well, I suspect perhaps you're getting the lines mixed here... I am not your
husband and projecting hostility towards him on me is hardly fair just because
I critiqued some of your perspectives.

> Aren't there any REAL men left in the world?? Some stand up kind of
> guys who can engage in lively debate without having their stupid egos
> crushed??? Or is everyone so stressed out and wacked out over their
> personal issues that that sieze every opportunity they get to REAM out
> some unsuspecting innocent?

Michelle, I only challenged WHAT you were saying... I was not trying to hurt
YOU. I openly invite critiscism from any one about any of my thoughts. I am
a simpleton and the only way I can learn sometimes or grow is when someone else
challenges me. I did not treat you in a manner that I would have refrained from
doing so with anyone else on here. I openly seek and accept lively and challenging
dialogue from all on here and and quite delighted when some one 'opens' my eyes
or shows me something new.

> Or has everyone truely lost their mind? Evidenced Don, and his
> rudeness, apparently so.

Michelle, I apologise for what seemed like rudeness to you... sometimes the
'tone' of what one says is difficult to pinpoint when the medium is e-mail.
Had we been having this dialgoue in person I am quite convinced you would not
be as upset at all this. I only meant to engage you in a lively, somewhat
agressive mental dialogue wherein we could challenge and learn from each other.
Apparently this was perceived as simply being abrasive... I assumed that if you were
on Keely that I wouldnt have to 'walk on egg shells' or be overly gentle just because
you were female... I wanted to treat you as an intellectual 'wrestling' partner.
Perhaps I erred here, please accept my express apologies if I presumed to much
or was out of line somehow?

> Don't bother to flame me, I was happy to engage Don, with no malice,
> offline, but finding his reply online in the list... well, I'm
> basically over the top, and have lost my sense of humor.

Michelle, had you told me to keep this thread private I would have, as it
was I simply didnt see anything, at the time, inherent in the dialogue that
might be construed as 'private content' only. NExt time I'll be much more cautious.

> Unless you have a sense of humor, don't bother finding your way into
> my box. I'm here for fun and games only....no serious inquiries
> allowed. Today is a day of jubilee, oh shit, let's just call off the
> rest of the year too while we're at it, and have a big party.

Michelle, I hope you feel better, I do look forward to seeing your posts,
regardless of what you may think otherwise.

> Be well,(if you can Don, I understand that Microsoft's a tough place
> to work.... I know, I was admin to the head of Excel about 6 years
> ago, no fun)

well, actually... Michelle... I seem to be having a different experience...
I find the job to be quite easy so far and not terribly stressful...but who knows
I've only been here a short time, maybe it gets worse? Mind you I find living in
the USA to be quite stressful.... can't wait to get home for Canadian Thanksgiving.

Warm regards,

Don