donadams wrote:
> good point re flanagan... was wondering about that too...such a high
> price... one simple experiment I did was with an old ultrasonic
> humidifier... I added microhydrin and the idea was that if lowered
> dynes as per Flanagans info then less mist or none at all should be made
> I figured it was a laymans / poormans way of testing whether there was
> anything to his claims.... sure enough.... it would not making any mist
> at all and it (the water) did feel very silky to the touch. Frank,
> what exactly is a 'zeta meteror'? Could I buy one some place? Would
> it be very expensive? As an additional note, it strikes me that
> a properly made Graham Potentializer might actually induce higer ZPE
> directly inside the body from its motion ...? It might also explain
> much of the strong rejuventating experiences which result from usage?
> I wonder if going to sleep at night inside of one might unravel much of
> the damage caused to the body during the day? Just wondering....
> Again Frank many thanks for the valuable info!
>
> frank hartman wrote:
> >
> > His product should work. I have used it in the past. Rather than use his
> > knowledge to
> > help change the single largest problem of degenerative disease and the source
> > of most environmental ill, he has chosen to enrich himself (the markup is
> > extraordinary) while
> > using a spiritual guise to cloak his spiritual manipulation, BARF! Yep there I
> > am judging again.
> > I don't know a simple way to calibrate it other than with streaming potential
> > or a zeta meteror some such device in a chemistry lab however yu can get a
> > simple device from a lab supply company that measures surface tensionI have one
> > but can't remember the name. As long as no surfacant is added, lower surface
> > tension = high zp. normal tap water about 75 dynes/cm brought to a boil about
> > 68. Fresh carrot juice about 30.
> > A ring tensionometer is the best way of measuring surface tension but they are
> > expensive.
> > You also can tell by the feel, it will feel soft and silky. The best test of
> > water is the ability to sustain life in plants, I have some vinca (perriwinkle)
> > that was cut 127 days ago and still continues to get new blossoms, old one fall
> > off and grow just as if it was planted.
> > Water is high zp (still using original water except for makeup for evap) in a
> > container that
> > produces counterclockwise radially polarized light. The inverse shape and
> > rotation
> > causes great root growth.
> > frank
> > donadams wrote:
> >
> > > Frank,
> > >
> > > thanks for the marvelous info! May I ask, how could calibration be done
> > > to at least get a rough ZPE reading... I do not have access to a chem
> > > lab...any way to do it simply at home? Also may I ask what about
> > > Flanagans product you dont like? I have bought a fair bit of it and
> > > have been recommending friends and family to also... I have noticed
> > > some effects and from some simple and crude experiments I have done
> > > it seems like the substance does what it says its supposed to.... but I
> > > am open to opinions and comments that are not in favour of it also...
> > > Can you explain, so I know? Also what about Flanagans behaiour do you
> > > not like? Again thx for the info!!!
> > > >
> > > > The simplest way is to make an electrophoresis cell. Take a U tube
> > > > preferably of glass
> > > > two platinum electrodes, 100v or higher dc power supply . 5 ma. When
> > > > liquid is in the tube and the current is applied., the change in water
> > > > level between the two sides of the U will indicate the ZP. the problem is
> > > > there must be some initial calibration and it is a rough measure. Once
> > > > you initially calibrate the level or have a physical chemistry lab do it,
> > > > you can tell whether it is better or worse..
> > > > re: colloidal silver Take distilled water with a pinch of salt, use a
> > > > high voltage power source and two silver wires, Pulse the high voltage
> > > > current to drive off the silver ions.
> > > > The charge on colloids is electrostatic surface charge. The smaller the
> > > > colloid and the more closely spherical they are, the greater the surface
> > > > area and the higher the total charge. Doing this in a vortex works even
> > > > better but that gets beyond the scope of this answer.
> > > > The salt does two things:
> > > > 1. it makes the distilled water conductive.
> > > > 2. When silver is ionized as colloids, there is a cluster or negative
> > > > ions on each colloid , surrounded by a ring of positive ions (double
> > > > layer, Stern layer, )from the + charge of the
> > > > Na (+1) in the salt. There will then a layer of diffuse - ions from the
> > > > CL in the salt outside the ring of + ions. This will tend to increase ZP
> > > > and the stability of the system.
> > > > There are a number of factors which degrade Zeta potential, Certain
> > > > EMR frequencies, any element or compound with a +3 valence most notably
> > > > aluminum or boron. A divalent cation (+2) has 3000 times greater effect
> > > > on Zp destruction than a monovalent (+1) and a trivalent (+3) has 6000
> > > > times the effect.
> > > > You can demonstrate this to yourself at home by making a flour water
> > > > mixture and adding a little liquid deodorant. The aluminum in the
> > > > deodorant will cause the flower to clump and settle to the bottom..ZP
> > > > destroyed. Same thing happens in blood , lymph and urine.Breast cancer,
> > > > most degenerative disease, osteophorosis, clogged arteries, all algae
> > > > growth: zap problems.
> > > > Salt- excess salt increases the number of positive ions in the second
> > > > layer until the negative layer suddenly collapses.Colloidal chemists
> > > > call it salting out the colloid. doctors call it heart attack.
> > > > There is no limit on the amount of slat or aluminum added to food, liquid
> > > > or biologicals in spite of the fact that there are over 2500 references
> > > > to aluminum toxicity in the NLM. In the early days after passage of the
> > > > pure Food and Drug act, political pressure created a category of
> > > > substances called (GRAS). Generally Regarded as Safe. MSG, Aluminum ,
> > > > salt are among those exempted from testing. The first FDA Commissioner
> > > > resigned over alum being included and wrote in History of Crimes against
> > > > the Food Laws(Riley,Dr. TJ) to protest publicly. There is a lot more
> > > > than this and someday when i am more computer literate, i will put up a
> > > > site with the information or put the info on a site. If you are
> > > > interested, will e mail you more information.
> > > > for those who are interested depending on level of knowledge.
> > > > Pat Flannigan's Elixir of the Ageless- Vortex Press-22 S. San Francisco
> > > > St. suite 219,
> > > > Flagstaff, AZ. 86001. I'm not a big fan of Flannnigan's product or
> > > > behavior.
> > > > 2. Control of colloidal Stability by Zeta Potential by Thomas Riddick-
> > > > seminal classic- out of print but available on interlibrary loan.Great
> > > > understanding of the effects of tri-valent cat ions on blood and urine.
> > > > Well backed up. Best description of electroendosmosis
> > > > and inverse electroendosmis , I have ever found.
> > > > 3.The whole subject goes way beyond this with implications in alternate
> > > > energy, etc. but then i get carried away.The Kelvin Water drop generator
> > > > and Baumgartners spraying high pressure water into a metal can and
> > > > measuring the incandesces to determine the aliveness of the water. Yep
> > > > Zeta Potential.
> > > > Frank.
> > > >
> > > > > Frank,
> > > > >
> > > > > what would be a good way to test for ZPE potential in water?
> > > > > Could I just use a multi-meter, take some sample water... pour
> > > > > it into two glasses, dip an electrode in each... maybe put some salt
> > > > > in (a pinch) and see what I get for mv? Or what would be a good way?
> > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > >
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