Don
frank hartman wrote:
>
> A zeta meteror is a f__k up. Search for Zeta Meter. The company was founded by Thomas
> Riddick. The author of Control of Colloidal Stability through Zeta potential. Even
> used one are in the thousands, Use a stereo microscope to view the colloids. Would
> love to find a poor man's measurer of ZP. As to the Potentiator I read of it years
> ago in Megabrain but have not experienced one. Will send on the info on aluminum now
> that the internet provider is back.
> Good luck
> Frank
>
> donadams wrote:
>
> > good point re flanagan... was wondering about that too...such a high
> > price... one simple experiment I did was with an old ultrasonic
> > humidifier... I added microhydrin and the idea was that if lowered
> > dynes as per Flanagans info then less mist or none at all should be made
> > I figured it was a laymans / poormans way of testing whether there was
> > anything to his claims.... sure enough.... it would not making any mist
> > at all and it (the water) did feel very silky to the touch. Frank,
> > what exactly is a 'zeta meteror'? Could I buy one some place? Would
> > it be very expensive? As an additional note, it strikes me that
> > a properly made Graham Potentializer might actually induce higer ZPE
> > directly inside the body from its motion ...? It might also explain
> > much of the strong rejuventating experiences which result from usage?
> > I wonder if going to sleep at night inside of one might unravel much of
> > the damage caused to the body during the day? Just wondering....
> > Again Frank many thanks for the valuable info!
> >
> > frank hartman wrote:
> > >
> > > His product should work. I have used it in the past. Rather than use his
> > > knowledge to
> > > help change the single largest problem of degenerative disease and the source
> > > of most environmental ill, he has chosen to enrich himself (the markup is
> > > extraordinary) while
> > > using a spiritual guise to cloak his spiritual manipulation, BARF! Yep there I
> > > am judging again.
> > > I don't know a simple way to calibrate it other than with streaming potential
> > > or a zeta meteror some such device in a chemistry lab however yu can get a
> > > simple device from a lab supply company that measures surface tensionI have one
> > > but can't remember the name. As long as no surfacant is added, lower surface
> > > tension = high zp. normal tap water about 75 dynes/cm brought to a boil about
> > > 68. Fresh carrot juice about 30.
> > > A ring tensionometer is the best way of measuring surface tension but they are
> > > expensive.
> > > You also can tell by the feel, it will feel soft and silky. The best test of
> > > water is the ability to sustain life in plants, I have some vinca (perriwinkle)
> > > that was cut 127 days ago and still continues to get new blossoms, old one fall
> > > off and grow just as if it was planted.
> > > Water is high zp (still using original water except for makeup for evap) in a
> > > container that
> > > produces counterclockwise radially polarized light. The inverse shape and
> > > rotation
> > > causes great root growth.
> > > frank
> > > donadams wrote:
> > >
> > > > Frank,
> > > >
> > > > thanks for the marvelous info! May I ask, how could calibration be done
> > > > to at least get a rough ZPE reading... I do not have access to a chem
> > > > lab...any way to do it simply at home? Also may I ask what about
> > > > Flanagans product you dont like? I have bought a fair bit of it and
> > > > have been recommending friends and family to also... I have noticed
> > > > some effects and from some simple and crude experiments I have done
> > > > it seems like the substance does what it says its supposed to.... but I
> > > > am open to opinions and comments that are not in favour of it also...
> > > > Can you explain, so I know? Also what about Flanagans behaiour do you
> > > > not like? Again thx for the info!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > The simplest way is to make an electrophoresis cell. Take a U tube
> > > > > preferably of glass
> > > > > two platinum electrodes, 100v or higher dc power supply . 5 ma. When
> > > > > liquid is in the tube and the current is applied., the change in water
> > > > > level between the two sides of the U will indicate the ZP. the problem is
> > > > > there must be some initial calibration and it is a rough measure. Once
> > > > > you initially calibrate the level or have a physical chemistry lab do it,
> > > > > you can tell whether it is better or worse..
> > > > > re: colloidal silver Take distilled water with a pinch of salt, use a
> > > > > high voltage power source and two silver wires, Pulse the high voltage
> > > > > current to drive off the silver ions.
> > > > > The charge on colloids is electrostatic surface charge. The smaller the
> > > > > colloid and the more closely spherical they are, the greater the surface
> > > > > area and the higher the total charge. Doing this in a vortex works even
> > > > > better but that gets beyond the scope of this answer.
> > > > > The salt does two things:
> > > > > 1. it makes the distilled water conductive.
> > > > > 2. When silver is ionized as colloids, there is a cluster or negative
> > > > > ions on each colloid , surrounded by a ring of positive ions (double
> > > > > layer, Stern layer, )from the + charge of the
> > > > > Na (+1) in the salt. There will then a layer of diffuse - ions from the
> > > > > CL in the salt outside the ring of + ions. This will tend to increase ZP
> > > > > and the stability of the system.
> > > > > There are a number of factors which degrade Zeta potential, Certain
> > > > > EMR frequencies, any element or compound with a +3 valence most notably
> > > > > aluminum or boron. A divalent cation (+2) has 3000 times greater effect
> > > > > on Zp destruction than a monovalent (+1) and a trivalent (+3) has 6000
> > > > > times the effect.
> > > > > You can demonstrate this to yourself at home by making a flour water
> > > > > mixture and adding a little liquid deodorant. The aluminum in the
> > > > > deodorant will cause the flower to clump and settle to the bottom..ZP
> > > > > destroyed. Same thing happens in blood , lymph and urine.Breast cancer,
> > > > > most degenerative disease, osteophorosis, clogged arteries, all algae
> > > > > growth: zap problems.
> > > > > Salt- excess salt increases the number of positive ions in the second
> > > > > layer until the negative layer suddenly collapses.Colloidal chemists
> > > > > call it salting out the colloid. doctors call it heart attack.
> > > > > There is no limit on the amount of slat or aluminum added to food, liquid
> > > > > or biologicals in spite of the fact that there are over 2500 references
> > > > > to aluminum toxicity in the NLM. In the early days after passage of the
> > > > > pure Food and Drug act, political pressure created a category of
> > > > > substances called (GRAS). Generally Regarded as Safe. MSG, Aluminum ,
> > > > > salt are among those exempted from testing. The first FDA Commissioner
> > > > > resigned over alum being included and wrote in History of Crimes against
> > > > > the Food Laws(Riley,Dr. TJ) to protest publicly. There is a lot more
> > > > > than this and someday when i am more computer literate, i will put up a
> > > > > site with the information or put the info on a site. If you are
> > > > > interested, will e mail you more information.
> > > > > for those who are interested depending on level of knowledge.
> > > > > Pat Flannigan's Elixir of the Ageless- Vortex Press-22 S. San Francisco
> > > > > St. suite 219,
> > > > > Flagstaff, AZ. 86001. I'm not a big fan of Flannnigan's product or
> > > > > behavior.
> > > > > 2. Control of colloidal Stability by Zeta Potential by Thomas Riddick-
> > > > > seminal classic- out of print but available on interlibrary loan.Great
> > > > > understanding of the effects of tri-valent cat ions on blood and urine.
> > > > > Well backed up. Best description of electroendosmosis
> > > > > and inverse electroendosmis , I have ever found.
> > > > > 3.The whole subject goes way beyond this with implications in alternate
> > > > > energy, etc. but then i get carried away.The Kelvin Water drop generator
> > > > > and Baumgartners spraying high pressure water into a metal can and
> > > > > measuring the incandesces to determine the aliveness of the water. Yep
> > > > > Zeta Potential.
> > > > > Frank.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Frank,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > what would be a good way to test for ZPE potential in water?
> > > > > > Could I just use a multi-meter, take some sample water... pour
> > > > > > it into two glasses, dip an electrode in each... maybe put some salt
> > > > > > in (a pinch) and see what I get for mv? Or what would be a good way?
> > > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > >
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