You wrote;
> It is highly possible there is something to vortex fluid
> movement and the potential to create a system that self runs.
> A self running system, whatever the design, will be the hallmark
> of a true working 'free energy' device.
Yes, there were discussions a few months back on Bill Beaty's vortex
list about 'negative viscosity' which is the mechanical analogue to the
electrical one of 'negative resistance'. It is the principle that forms
and sustains self-running tornados and hurricanes and I firmly believe
it can be duplicated on a smaller scale for the output of free energy.
Clem (and others including Schauberger's Zokwendle) all appeared to have
created a vortex with this self-sustaining property.
Over the years and in many files there are references to some point of
anomaly (my term) which once achieved allows a rotating mass to run with
almost no energy input. The effect is that it takes energy to force
matter or energy to a given point, requiring less and less until it
reaches resonance, if you persist beyond resonance, the matter or energy
being so moved or stimulated begins to pull on its own.
Keely's push, pull or balance illustrates this. I always envisioned it
as an X where you force the mass or energy down to the 'point of
anomaly/bloch wall' and then slightly past to get it to suck and run on
its own, this is where you need a governor to prevent the device from
destroying itself...
You also wrote;
> Perhaps we collectively present such a fragmented image that such
> people run scared? Or maybe I just don't mix with the 'right'
> people <g>.
Probably a combination of both. I don't move in such circles, being
your basic redneck...<g>...and not patient with people whose eyes don't
light up when they talk or who have no interest in science at the very
least...<g>....
You also wrote;
> Jerry, IMHO what is needed is a wealthy backer who is looking
> to offload some spare change on some serious research. Speaking
> for myself, I feel the chances of successfully producing a
> working energy device are reasonably viable, given the resources.
I've never met one 'wealthy backer' who had any intention of backing
anything that wouldn't either gain them more money or some kind of total
control over a project. If there are any of them out there who want to
catalyze some major changes, then by all means, contact me, Bill, or
whoever you might think offers the best chance.
In the past, I've tried on a couple of occasions to get people to
understand that if everyone chipped in $10 bucks a month with 100 people
that would be $1000, with 500 people that would be $5000 per month.
That money would rent us a garage type building, outfit it with drill
press, lathe, 2 scopes, meters, variable power supplies, etc, pay the
bills for phone & utilities, rent and maybe insurance....we have people
here who would gladly volunteer their time to work on specific projects
in such a facility to DO SOMETHING.
It would be even better if we could PAY some of these people full time
to work there, but initially it would be totally volunteer with all
funds going to supplies and sustaining the facility.
The idea was to first get people to commit to a regular donation for a
solid year, whether a one time payment or a once a month payment, this
would guarantee we wouldn't open and have to close because people flaked
out. I like the one time shot, that way, its PAID for the year.
Then we document our efforts both in video and text, posting it freely
on the KeelyNet website. When something comes of it that works, we would
use the shareware format to allow republishing the info in its entirety
in hopes people will appreciate it and send in donations to further
increase our working funds. http://www.keelynet.com/share.htm
Well, so far, people just don't seem to 'get it', as to what is intended
or what WILL HAPPEN as a result. Part of it is the conspiracy, 'you
will be shut down' warnings, we are willing to take the chance and thats
why we will post EVERYTHING so all can know what is going on and what
has been found or has not worked.
Because of the lack of general participation by people, I can't tell if
its a trust issue or that they are just cheap. In my meetings early on
with 'risk venture' investors or in explaining such things to 'moneyed'
people, they fob the whole thing off, saying, 'Well, if there is
anything to this, it will certainly find its way to the marketplace and
I'll just buy it then.' Truth, I've heard it on several occasions from
different people. They haven't a clue.
So, free energy, gravity control and even rejuvenation (all of which
correlate), surely someone out there with bucks can comprehend what this
would mean to society and life in general. I guess some of us either
live in a dream world or are seeking a reality that others cannot even
imagine. Just so.
This list currently has 142 members. Consider if just 100 people here
paid $100 for a full year that would total $10,000 per year which comes
to $833.33 per month.
I estimate renting a small building will run from $600.00 to $1200.00
per month. Phone, utilities, etc. would be around $300.00 per month.
Outfitting would be initial one time cost of about $5,000 to $10,000
depending on how detailed. So, per year, using a monthly rent of
$800.00 it would be $9600.00 plus $3600.00 comes to about $13,200.00
that is relatively fixed yearly, plus the additions of equipment and
parts it would be about $20,000.00 for the first year and close to that
for every year after since you have to have supplies and parts to build
these things. This isn't much real money for a business and remember
its all volunteer at this point with nothing available for salaries.
So, I have a large backyard and figured another approach that would
reduce the yearly costs. This idea was to build a workshop in my
backyard for about $12,000 and there wouldn't be any rent then, this
includes concrete floor and some outfitting. This could be done through
a loan and paid off monthly or a one time shot which I figure would pay
for itself in 15 months if you consider $800.00 per month for rent of a
small building. Once the initial cost was paid for it would run on
about $10,000 per year for parts and projects, depending on a LOT of
scavenging...<G>..
Initial equipment and other outfitting would come to about $8,000 though
I could reduce that by using some of my own equipment and I'm sure
others would be happy to loan some of their equipment to reduce even
that.
Monthly bills for power, water, phone etc can be additions to my home
bills so that would knock out setup and monthly payments for that, which
I figure would save about $13,000.00 per year.
The building would be open to local participants and others could make
an appointment to visit the workshop for a 'tour' or to help out if they
were so inclined.
Just dreaming, I don't see this happening with any kind of group
approach, too many who either don't get it, don't trust me, or are
wanting all the answers on a silver platter at no cost to them. I know,
I tried the approach twice and nothing came of it.
So, I'm looking to other approaches but time is eating away at us all.
Going to have to make some kind of move while I am still young enough to
do some good. I'd hate to die without EVER having seen a real
self-sustained overunity device or to fly using a gravity belt...I dream
this stuff all the time, so it keeps me wired and thinking along those
lines. One more year almost down the tubes.
-- Jerry Wayne Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com http://keelynet.com / "From an Art to a Science" Voice : (214) 324-8741 / FAX : (214) 324-3501 KeelyNet - PO BOX 870716 - Mesquite - Republic of Texas - 75187