Thanks for the excellent and thoughtful response, now that's what a
discussion list is all about!! So far, I can find NO FLAW with what
Ivanov is claiming but the same requirement remains, proof by a physical
demonstration. That's where we could all do some experiments, hoping to
discover the secret.
You wrote:
> They say there is a tendency for systems to move to lower energy
> levels and that gravity is manifested by the standing waves moving
> (moving because of frequency differences - see the little car
> diagram) toward areas of lower energy. The 'gravitational' spider is
> the pattern of waves concordance or interference of the two sources
> of vibration (for example, you and the earth) and therefore it is a
> crude representation of the pattern of force generated.
I agree, from high potential to lower tring to achieve equilibrium.
> ..If I'm not mistaken Ivanov says that antigravity and levitation
> should be possible by changing the frequency of vibration of one of
> the objects and thus changing the shape of the spider to alter the
> forces involved.
I read the same thing, you can increase weight, cancel weight or go
beyond that to cause repulsion, pure Keely and many others.
> This appears unlikely to me. I doubt we could alter the frequency
> of vibration of the body's atomic structure in a non-harmful way.
If you check out many of the files on KeelyNet you will see a common
thread....relating to gravity control...dealing with a RING AROUND THE
EQUATOR OF THE MASS....it is the key to everything, as simplistic as it
sounds...
> ON the other hand, it should be possible to create standing waves
> "around" the person through the use of sound generation and by
> controlling the frequency and phase relationships so that the spider
> shaped waves are interfered with and broken down - thus releasing the
> person (in this case) from the spider's 'grip'. I have done some
> reading up on how to create sound standing waves etc of different
> shapes and sizes - it's not difficult.
Yep, I concur and have long discussed this privately with others. You
should be able to resonate with the mass fundamental and ADD energy to
cause the matter waves to RADIATE, causing repulsion by means of the
deflection of aether/zpe influx and expulsion of surrounding distortion
waves from other masses.
> I may be off the track in the detail, but I am convinced that many
> anti-gravity effects are easily possible using sound alone. Once
> these are understood, moving on to the 'electromagnetic' waveforms
> is the next step.
I agree again, that is why SAUCSONG was put on...and other files
supportive of sound as one of the simplest ways to achieve this wonder.
> We should be concentrating our efforts int his area - and it is
> cheaper too. The ancient egyptians didn't need all sorts of
> electrical aparatus to build the pyramids. Whatever they used was
> rather simple.
Well, pre-Egyptians...<g>..my opinion but yes, they had to have VERY
SIMPLE technology but along with it was a much superior understanding of
how the universe works.
> Leedskalnin was said to have 'sung' to his stones as he worked in
> the dead of night moving them. Was he singing to disguise another
> sound he was generating?
If you'll read about Keely, he talks about adjusting the 'carbon caps'
on his resonators while touching them lightly with his fingertips...he
refers to tremulous action at a maximum to tell him the device was in
tune....from my understanding, these carbon caps were threaded and
screwed into hollow tubes....the tube chamber was thus like a trombone
with the carbon caps as an exquisitely sensitive slide...this would
adjust the size of the resonating chamber to change the frequency.
Now, remember that use of the fingertips to sense the maximum vibration
at resonance....based on Keely's description I have long envisioned
Leedskalnin as touching the stone while intoning various SUSTAINED
frequencies, seeking the greatest tactile response, amplitude wise...I
know the stone won't vibrate like a speaker but I think you could sense
vibrations IN the stone using the fingertips....once you got the maximum
amplitude, you sustain that particular tone which would resonate with
the fundamental frequency of the stone, causing it to RADIATE MATTER
WAVES and thus lose weight and even possibly to levitate UNTIL the
vibration quenched back to nothing. At that point, the mass would regain
its weight.
> The ancient cities of the Mayans in Sth America had temples made of
> huge stones which their myth says were 'carried there on the sounds
> of trumpets'. Tibetan monks have been recorded as moving huge stones
> using drums and trumpets (Cathie's book).
All fitting PERFECTLY WITH IVANOV...and the idea of radiation of EXCESS
ENERGY in the form of matter waves...and that ain't all but that's the
next step not ready yet for posting...
> Sound is the way to go. We just need to understand how to project it
> and at what frequencies and phases and amplitudes to cause the
> desired effects.
> BTW - The Lifting Stones Of Shivapur sound to me like a real good
> income generator for the local monks. they aren't silly you know.
> Who has said the stone can't be lifted with more than 11 people? -
> the monks I gather. If weight is evenly distributed over 11 fingers,
> maybe it isn't that special after all - just another version of the
> game of lifting someone from a chair using fingers. Jerry, I thought
> you were the one that didn't jump to conclusions over wild claims
> unless their proponents were happy to allow people to copy it and you > could prove it for yourself. If you were to ask these monks about how
> it is done - do you think they would tell you?
Well, I never said I BELIEVED IT, but that I definitely wanted to go
over there and TEST IT....you know, based on those pictures, it should
be simple to get a rough estimation of the size of the stone and have
one cut to the same weight....then try that here....possibly getting
someone to record that chant??? It should work anywhere...magic rock my
butt..<g>..scuse me but we are getting I think VERY CLOSE to an
understanding that offers some hope in this area of gravity control.
> Thanks all for hearing me out. I really think the investigation is
> headed in the right direction now. Hopefully we can keep up the
> momentum.
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