Re: Not Sure

Jerry Wayne Decker ( jwdatwork@yahoo.com )
Thu, 14 Jan 1999 10:03:29 -0800 (PST)

Hi Ren et al!

Alll I have seen on it says there is no steam involved, simply
mechanical pressure...I'm not sure how the thing works....there was a
guy named Schaeffer in Chicago (now dead) who was using high intensity
mechanical shock pressure applied to water to produce steam.

I have a bit of information on him with a couple of bad copies of
photos. I think it works along the lines of 'hydrosonics' as with the
Griggs counter-rotating drums, spaced about 1/4" apart and which
causes molecular shearing of the water to produce heat from that
friction.

A similar device is the Yusmar vortex heat generator by Dr. Potapov
over in Russia. It uses a compressive vortex chamber and is claimed
to produce sufficient heat to heat buildings simply by water flowing
at high velocity. Is this the one you are referring to as Pavlov?
Pavlov was the guy who did behavioral research and is best remembered
for causing dogs to salivate on hearing a bell.

To see something on the Yusmar, check out;

http://members.aol.com/FZNIDARSIC/yusmar.html

Tests of the Yusmar in the states (they were looking for overunity
effects, moreso than the heating that is claimed in the device, though
Potapov says it is self-running once started);

http://www.eden.com/~little/yusmar/pot2.txt
http://www.eden.com/~little/yusmar/pot3.txt

A similar anomalous effect is claimed in a self-running device using
high velocity, high pressure cooking oil as described in the Clem
engine at;

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clem1.htm
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clem2.htm

The thinking with regard to this heating effect is that the phenomenon
takes the form of a Hilsch/Rankin tube (you know the air vortex tubes)
which produce heat on one side and cold on the other, using molecular
separation based on heat density/size of the air molecules.

The heat swollen excited molecules are vectored into one path, like a
sieve or filter...the smaller, cooler ones are the cold ones and pass
to the other path.

How to build a Hilsch/Rankin vortex tube;

http://www.montagar.com/~patj/hilmnu.htm

---Marinus Berghuis wrote:
>
> At 10:19 7/01/99 -0800, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Hi Phil!
> >
> >There does appear to be a way to mechanically produce a pressure from
> >water that can be scaled to almost any size.
> >
> >Good Day Jerry,
>
> While cleaning up my files, came across this one and ask, would this
> pressure device work on the same principle as Pavlov's water heater?
> Surely if you increase the pressure from the pump, the water would
> eventually turn into steam !
> I found a brass gear pump on the property and thought of mounting
this on a
> C.N.G. tank and let it pump to it's maximum and see what happens!
> Do you know of anyone who has tried the experiment?
>
> please advise
> Ren.
>

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