> <jdecker@keelynet.com> wrote:
>
> > Ray wrote:
> >> I think that matter is rarefied aether due to rotation forces
> >> (as in a vortex or similar structure). I don't think that the
> >> aether goes anywhere substantial; rather it oscillates in place.
> >> I do think that energy goes somewhere due to the oscillations
> >> moving. I think that what some people call aether is what I
> >> call energy or some other structure in the aether.
If the ether can be rarefied or densified then there is another order of
ether beyond that able to sustain such action.
> >Matter is rarified aether?? So where does 'matter' come from in this
> >rarified space? What is matter basically composed of?? Would this
> >mysterious proto-matter be somehow related to dark matter? How does
> >aether then relate to mass?
>
> All energy is waves in the aether. Matter or mass is standing waves in
> the aether while light and other e/m waves are travelling waves in the
> aether.
I agree to an extent, but waves of what? Then what is ether made from?
> >I do agree that matter exists as standing waves (wanted to say
> >self-sustaining) but I think that matter is SUPPORTED and fed by the
> >continual influx of aether into it.
>
> I think that it is supported by the influx of wave energy into and out
> of it, not the influx of aether. The rate of aether flow in relation to
> matter is extremely small, at the Hubble rate only.
>
> >I also think there is a bi-directional flow of aether, that which is
> >aggregating by an implosive, magnetic force and that which is decaying
> >via an explosive, electrical force.
>
> I agree that it is bidirectional. I hadn't considered the suggestion
> that it was magnetic one way and electrical the other but will think
> about that. I usually think of the magnetic and electrical fields as
> just different aspects of the aether movement, with magnetic being the
> local rotation rate for instance.
>
> >Keely indicates this push, pull and balance condition exists in all
> >manifestations of force and energy. That new matter is pulling or
Thats right, push, pull, and balance are all working together
simultaneously. Thats because there is no pull or push by themselves.
There is only wave summation. A thing is either here or there or on its
way to here or there. And balance is an arbitrary reference which can be
chosen for any point but usually chosen to be the point of least
relative motion.
> >providing a well that sucks in aether to grow, imploding onto a fixed
> >point (his neutral center or combinations of them for aggregates) to
> >create the new matter.
>
> This is an example of what I meant when I said that what some people
> call aether is what I call waves in the aether and what I call aether is
> a deeper structure below that.
And below that is yet another deeper structure.
> >The energy forms of electricity, magnetism, gravity and other energies
> >are I think composed of frequencies beyond what our instruments can
> >measure and these are children, lower frequencies of the parent base
> >aether that creates and sustains the universe.
>
> In my view the important frequencies are the Compton frequencies of
> particles which are their actual wave oscillation frequencies. The
> Compton frequencies of nucleons (p and n) are the most important ones
> and are about 2.27*10^23 Hz. Definitely not directly measurable or able
> to generated by us, but we can confirm these values in certain
> experiments such as particle diffraction off crystal lattices and 2-slit
> experiments.
>
> >The precipitation of the aether through a spectrum into the crystallized
> >rigidity of matter is the result of the all-pervading aether pressure
> >flowing into the very rarified areas you speak of.
>
> >BECAUSE the aether flow into such a rarified area is so rapid and DENSE,
> >it collides with itself to produce the multiplicity of standing waves in
> >an aggregate we refer to as mass.
>
> I think that the aether actually flows OUT of particles. What you call
> aether and I call energy is indeed flowing in. However that is just
> wave energy not the aether itself. As the energy of matter grows
> (because gravity really does suck) very slowly over time we can observe
> this as distant galaxies have redshifted light. This really tells us
> that the frequencies and energies of particles were less in the distant
> past.
>
> When energy flows in it creates more motion (because that is what energy
> is) and this motion must expand the aether in the particle, just as a
> hot gas expands or spinning object expands due to centrigigal forces.
>
> >Interesting that Keely recognized these bi-directional and dual aether
> >flows, calling the imploding force terrestrial and the exploding force
> >celestial.
>
> The waves going into every particle have come from all other particles
> in the universe (in ptoportion to the inverse square of distance) and
> the outgoing waves then become the ingoing waves to all other particles
> at various times in the future, mostly billions of years later.
> This calculation can be verified as the ~10^80 particles in the universe
> have just the right size to cover the whole of the sky when their
> average distance is allowed for, which is some 10^40 times the size of
> the particles. Of course a continuous wave does not have a size, but
> the inner wavelength is what we may consider to be the core of the
> particle and is where most of the absorption occurs.
>
> -- Ray Tomes -- http://www.kcbbs.gen.nz/users/rtomes/rt-home.htm --
The ether itself is composed of these same waves but on a different
scale. It is the super-saturated state of the universe wherein each most
basic 'particle' wave is the equivalent but opposite of the 'Universe'
wave. They are the same identity from different perspectives. And WITHIN
each basic particle wave is repeated the universe wave, ad-infinitum, as
in fractal recursion. Thus whatever level of scale you operate on there
will be a corresponding ether to support it. Furthermore, there are an
infinite number of 'mis-aligned' universes which do not interact except
where local conditions of alignment can exist to connect them. All
masses exist partially in their own reference frame at a particular
ether scale. At harmonic converging points of their local frame, with
that of another is where they are subject to mutual influence. Matter
evolved within a gravitational frame is dominated by and aligned to that
frame harmonically. It tends to propagate toward the center of that
frame to the extent that space or time are bent because this angle of
curvature distorts the phase relationship between the standing waves
that constitute the mass and the ambient gravitationalized ether. There
are two ways to modify the phase timing between particles such that they
move relative to one another. 1) alter the space, or 2) alter the time,
or both.
The wavelengths of the matter are quantized according to the
'graininess' of the dominent level of ether in which they exist but must
exist on more than one level simultaneously to be stable as in a
'harmonic chord'. Thus there can be transients of other vibrations
passing through which do not destroy the identity of the mass.
It is not necessary to account for all hierarchical levels of ether to
the extreme, just to know that they exist and apply at their own scale
of influence by the same rules as all other levels. It is the rules of
'harmonics' that matter (good pun). Lets not call it Aether
precipitation, but rather matter 'precipitation' from aether. The ether
itself has no tangible existence. It is only known through its
manifestations as matter and the effects of energy on matter. It
functions as pure principle and can be considered to have no reality
beyond the conceptual or mental. Thus the universe is a mental
construct. It is maintained by the totality of being which in itself is
unknowable.
-Gerald O'