Re: Lee Rogers Air Powered Engine.

LARRY SULLIVAN ( polymercanada@bc.sympatico.ca )
Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:51:38 -0800

Jerry W. Decker wrote:
>
> Hi Folks!
>
> >
> Nothing is said by Rogers or the interviewer about expanders or anything
> that would change the phase of the gas to a liquid state, though the gas

Your do not need expansion chambers the pistons are the expansion
chambers,Da!

> is comporessed to about 500 psi to run. It apparently uses NORMAL AIR
> and is initially run with compressed Nitrogen as its seed pressure.

Lets see 120 p.s.i. per tank x four tanks= 500 p.s.i. or conversly it
is representative to the amount of stored compressed gas,different gases
have different compression ratios. So this represents the amount of
stored gas usally refered to C.F.M. cubic feet per minute or how many
cubic feet are stored in a compessed mode. Calculation is you take the
displacment of the engine piston chamber. ie 250 c.i. x the rotations
per minute= the consumed air volume(in cubic inches per minute) re 250
C.I.M x 1000 rotations=25000 C.I.M. /(convert to cubic feet) 1728=14.46
C.F.M.. So the air pressure via compression is the driving force and the
stored air volume tells you how long it will work,as in the amount of
fuel.
Seeding with nitrogen makes no sense if it is flushed with incomming
air.

> indicates that as the car runs at high speeds, the compressor restores
> the pressure to the tank that has been used, making it a self-sustaining

Exactly, the tanks are stored "fuel" to run the auto when not charging,
it is in the velosity of the moving air via the air scope that is the
coolant,as mentioned before probably a vortex tunnel. It is the momentum
that uses the pistons to compress the gas, instead of brakes you use a
"air/engine brake" The simple fact that a 2,000 lb car takes alot of
energy to stop so why not use this to run in compression mode.
The engine is the compressor the modual is a pressure valve,
> system.
>
> Here are relevant quotes from the AIRMOTOR file;
>
>"I would roughly estimate that it would take twice as much energy to
> FILL the tanks and COMPRESS the air as the engine could EVER produce.
> After all," Bagnall continued, "Rogers will have to use more fuel to
> compress the tanks of air than the auto normally would use!"

A stationary engine would be true but we are talking of utlizing
momentum energy to run the compression.
>
> "the compressor will be continually fueled simply by the power from
> the engine itself."
>
> they told me it was impossible to run an auto engine on just plain
> 'pure' simple air and I said, "Why?"
>
> "All gasoline does is create a 'HOT' explosion driving the pistons up
> and down, and the only reason it's a HOT explosion is because it's
> IGNITED. So, I got to thinking, no reason why the air HAS to be HOT!
> Why not just regular cool everyday air like you and I breathe?"

Air is 70 odd% nitrogen, so instead of a closed system you would be
compessing air,perhaps less effiecent but more simple to construct.
>
> "Lee began by tinkering with his 1977 Dodge Aspen station wagon. He
> removed all the gasoline components from his engine, including the
> carburetor, spark plugs, gas tank, fuel pump and exhaust system.
>
> The old Dodge was originally fueled by pressurized air tanks that Rogers
> had purchased. He has since designed an air compressor that provides a
> CONTINUOUS supply of air to the engine. A conversion kit, that he
> developed, attaches to the engine block, pumping pressurized air into
> the cylinder - and it works!"

Exactly, no plugs no spark no compustion,Conversion kit? I think just
the pressure valve. The compessed gas provides the pressure.
>
> (Here we have the high velocity air flow to keep it cool.)
>
> "And when you look at the engine, it has a nice frosty cool appearance
> to it and is cold to the touch."

Expansion gas absorbs heat, hence a cool engine block.

is a simple conversion from a normal vehicle and
> that is uses NORMAL AIR and the initial PRESSURE CHARGE FROM NIROGEN!)

Dido as above.

>
> But, first you must spend $14
> for a tank of NITROGEN to CHARGE all FOUR AIR TANKS that are mounted
> where the gas tank USED TO BE. You have the MAIN tank, and the other
> THREE are RESERVES.
>
> The compressor is fueled simply by power from the engine AS THE ENGINE
> RUNS, it's constantly REBUILDING its own air supply.
>
> As one tank EMPTIES, another is being FILLED....and so on. When the
> charge gets to 500 PSI, the auto is ready for the highway.
>
> The nitrogen is a one time purchase. It also cleans, blows out all oil
> and gas residue, cleaning the valves, the engine and everything else
> right out the the exhaust."
>
> "...based loosely on the same theory of an AIR-GUN. The former gas
> pedal acts like a TRIGGER and gives you VARIOUS SPEEDS, when you press
> down on it."
>
> (Why the conversion kit wasn't being sold at THAT time.)
>
> "At low speeds, the auto uses the air pressure up in about 20 minutes.
> The engine doesn't run FAST ENOUGH at 5 to 15 mph to rebuild the air
> supply. The air pressure has to reach about 2,000 RPM's to remake its
> own supply."

Just restating what I have already said, tanks are storage,velosity and
momentum-cools, compresses.
> ==========================
>
>
> I had written;
> > It would be interesting if there is some explosive property of
> > nitrogen that has been missed. Does anyone know if that
> > is so? I am certain there are numerous variations in what is
> > considered 'fixed' reactions which if RE-investigated from a new
> > perspective will provide new, novel, phenomena that could be adapted
> > for practical uses.

You keep forgetting no spark no explosion.
>
> Mike writes;
>
> I quote from the book by Peter Plichta "Gods Secret Formula". pp 206
> paperback edition.
>
> "The oxygen and nitrogen molecules both contain a deep secret. The
> magnetic power of oxygen had always been of interest to me. I had so
> far had no special 'relationship' with the nitrogen molecule.
>
> It (nitrogen) has a triple bond and, according to the rules of
> chemistry, it should be so unstable that our planet should normally
> consist of silicon nitride and not silicate bonds, the compounds of
> oxygen.
>
> It has been clear to me since I was 30 that the essence of silane oil
> must have something to do with the phenomenon of lightning in
> atmospheric storms.
>
> When diluted bromine solution was dropped into highly diluted trisilane
> at a temperature of -100C (1968 in Cologne), electrical circular flashes
> had been discharged over the drop points.
>
> At that time we were working with a pure nitrogen atmosphere. When I
> used the much more aggressive chlorine instead of bromine and the
> explosion occurred in the laboratory, I was again able to observe -
> through my bullet proof helmet and the thin protective glass - an
> electric flash before the blast of the explosion hit me."
>
> endquote.
>
> A later quote from the same book;
>
> "Three elements can form single, double and triple bonds, carbon,
> oxygen, and nitrogen. Silicon has not not got this power because only
> three elements were provided with the power of forming three different
> types of bonds.
>
> Chemistry is - like the other to natural sciences - the material costume
> for mathematics with which the infinite is made finite."

There is no carbon or silicates in the compression mode,so your theory
crash lands.
Your experiment is ion exchange. Sodium holds a pos charge, clorine a
neg., in nature sodium and clorine are not found by themselves. The
effect is like shorting out a wire. Put sodium and clorine together and
you have "salt" left over electrons are left as energy radiation.
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