Re: A Request, or Two...

Kenneth Carrigan ( (no email) )
Fri, 29 Jan 1999 08:35:09 -0500

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Ahhhhh, just have to say a couple words here....

I saw that video when in college taking material science class. It was =
totally
awsome.. as the bridge resonated with a certain velocity of wind. Sort =
of how
you can blow on the edge of piece of paper.. and make it vibrate and =
make a
nasty sound. Well this is sort of what happen to the bridge, the wind =
make it
resonate to DEATH! In this class we had a lab... and one of our =
experiments
was to find the resonance of our building we where in. A motor type =
soleniod
was mounted to the concrete floor and made to vibrate, while =
measurements
where taken on walls and such. It only took around 200W to make the =
building
"feel" like something was happening. Very spooky! The solution to that =

bridge was to change the shape as I recall.. making it curved instead of =
straight.
The material was not changed but the configuration sure was. Again.. =
neat
video and I saw it actually fracture...literally throwing the center of =
the bridge
up and down.. tearing it apart. Whow...

Now my question then is similarities... a "STATIC" field (the wind at =
constant
speed) can be a magnet... ("STATIC" magnetic field).. and a conductive =
wire
would be the bridge. Is there any change.. that we can make this wire =
'vibrate'
from the static magnetic field? You would think "wind across a bridge =
surely
could not make a bridge vibrate". Hummm thinking hard on this =
one...there
must be a specail case somewhere....

v/r Ken Carrigan

>Don't remember the date, but the place was the Tacoma Narrows bridge =
locates
>in Washington State. From what I have heard about the bridge, it =
collapsed
>under its own vibrations when the wind would blow through the canyon it =
was
>crossing over. Engineers, after rebuilding it several times, deduced =
what
>was going on and changed some of the materials in the bridge, changing =
the
>mass and altering the resonance of the bridge. That is how I understood =
it
>anyway.
>BillP
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ted Gallop <gallope@planet.curtin.edu.au>
>To: keelynet@DallasTexas.net <keelynet@DallasTexas.net>
>Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 9:16 PM
>Subject: A Request, or Two...
>
>
>>Hello Members,
>>
>>I'm new to this group, and hope to be able to contribute =
constructively as
>>time goes by...
>>My particular interest, at the moment, is sound/accoustics/harmonics, =
etc.
>>
>>Can anyone help me with the following two requests.
>>
>>I've read all of the keelyNet files on Ed Leedskalnin. However I was =
under
>>the impression he had written quite a bit about his "sweet 16". Are =
there
>>any copies of this writing extant? If so, where can I get my hands =
(eyes?)
>>on it.
>>
>>Also, I have seen over the last few decades an occasional film clip of =
a
>>suspension bridge (somewhere in the USA I think) swinging and swaying =
and
>>twisting, and eventually disintegrating in high winds - the usual
>>explanation being that its 'natural frequency of vibration was in tune =
with
>>that caused by the wind' or something like that. Does anyone know the =
date
>>and place, and how I could get some of the footage (avi format?)
>>
>>Many thanks.
>>
>>Ted Gallop
>>
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Ahhhhh, just have to say =a couple=20words here....
 
I saw that video when in =college=20taking material science class.  It was totally
awsome.. as the=20bridge resonated with a certain velocity of wind.  Sort of=20how
you can blow on=20the edge of piece of paper.. and make it vibrate and make =a
nasty sound. =20Well this is sort of what happen to the bridge, the wind make=20it
resonate to DEATH!  =In this class=20we had a lab... and one of our experiments
was to find the=20resonance of our building we where in.  A motor type=20soleniod
was mounted to the=20concrete floor and made to vibrate, while =measurements
where taken on=20walls and such.  It only took around 200W to make the=20building
"feel"=20like something was happening.  Very spooky!  The solution to =that=20
bridge was to=20change the shape as I recall.. making it curved instead of=20straight.
The material was=20not changed but the configuration sure was.  Again..=20neat
video and I saw it=20actually fracture...literally throwing the center of the=20bridge
up =and down..=20tearing it apart.  Whow...
 
Now my question then is=20similarities... a "STATIC" field (the wind at=20constant
speed) can be a=20magnet... ("STATIC" magnetic field).. and a conductive=20wire
would be the=20bridge.  Is there any change.. that we can make this wire=20'vibrate'
from the static=20magnetic field?  You would think "wind across a bridge=20surely
could not make a=20bridge vibrate".   Hummm  thinking hard on this=20one...there
must be a specail=20case somewhere....
 
v/r Ken=20Carrigan
>Don't remember the date, but the =place was=20the Tacoma Narrows bridge locates
>in Washington State. From what =I have=20heard about the bridge, it collapsed
>under its own vibrations =when the=20wind would blow through the canyon it was
>crossing over. =Engineers, after=20rebuilding it several times, deduced what
>was going on and =changed some=20of the materials in the bridge, changing the
>mass and altering =the=20resonance of the bridge. That is how I understood=20it
>anyway.
>BillP
>-----Original =Message-----
>From:=20Ted Gallop <gallope@planet.curtin.edu.au=>
>To:=20keelynet@DallasTexas.net =<keelynet@DallasTexas.net>=
>Date:=20Thursday, January 28, 1999 9:16 PM
>Subject: A Request, or=20Two...
>
>
>>Hello =Members,
>>
>>I'm new=20to this group, and hope to be able to contribute constructively=20as
>>time  goes by...
>>My particular interest, =at the=20moment, is sound/accoustics/harmonics, etc.
>>
>>Can =anyone=20help me with the following two requests.
>>
>>I've =read all of=20the keelyNet files on Ed Leedskalnin. However I was under
>>the =impression he had written quite a bit about his "sweet 16". =Are=20there
>>any copies of this writing extant? If so, where can I =get my=20hands (eyes?)
>>on it.
>>
>>Also, I have seen =over=20the last few decades an occasional film clip of a
>>suspension =bridge=20(somewhere in the USA I think) swinging and swaying =and
>>twisting, and=20eventually disintegrating in high winds - the =usual
>>explanation being=20that its 'natural frequency of vibration was in tune =with
>>that caused=20by the wind' or something like that. Does anyone know the =date
>>and=20place, and how I could get some of the footage (avi=20format?)
>>
>>Many thanks.
>>
>>Ted=20Gallop
>>
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