Re: How-to run an Engine on Hydrogen

Norman Wootan ( normw@fastlane.net )
Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:29:27 -0500

All: This Colorado News page is "dynamic" changes from hour to hour so click on
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Norman Wootan wrote:

> Hi! Jerry: I was listening to Charles Koralt on CBS radio news today and got the
> info on the Solar Hydrogen Car. URL; http://Kcnc.cbsnow.com/navbar/home.html
>
> Norman Wootan wrote:
>
> > Jerry: As I was driving home yesterday (5:30) there was an anouncement on
> > KRLD regards a Solar Hydrogen Car being unveiled at Golden Colorado. Did you
> > here about this? Let's try to pull up some details. Go back into the
> > message base and read My and Gerald O's comments on Neodyminum catalist for a
> > solar hydrogen generator. This technology was announced by PRC (China) back
> > in the fall of 93. Norm
> >
> > Jerry W. Decker wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Folks!
> > >
> > > I found this in the sci.hydrogen DejaNews;
> > > -------------------------
> > > I have been researching the process of splitting water (H2O) into its
> > > components, Hydrogen and Oxygen, to be re-mixed and burned as fuel
> > > since '66.
> > >
> > > I have noticed many questions from novices regarding auto conversion to
> > > hydrogen. Here are a few bits of info that should help. Hopefully, you
> > > won't have to pay any "non-profit" groups just for information on this
> > > low -polluting fuel [when burned with air, 78% Nitrogen, there is
> > > Nitrogen Oxide emissions (smog)].
> > >
> > > The conversion of a vehicle to hydrogen is relatively simple and
> > > inexpensive, using an older car before fuel injection. It is very
> > > similar to a propane conversion, costing about $500.
> > >
> > > The main parts needed are an Impco model CA300 type carburetor, an Impco
> > > low pressure regulator, a hydrogen storage tank, and the hydrogen, (try
> > > Linde Co).
> > >
> > > Because hydrogen burns very hot (it will burn a hole through a normal
> > > piston) some use plastic polymer coated pistons or sodium filled valves
> > > (expensive). Most solve this problem by mixing in some of the water as
> > > (steam) vapor to cool the combustion at the expense of loss of power.
> > >
> > > Since hydrogen has 2.5 times the power of gasoline, it doesn't matter
> > > much. You can still keep up with a supercharged race car... Because of
> > > the rapid combustion, the ignition gap has to be very small, like .001
> > > inch.
> > >
> > > One of the vehicles ERDA reviewed way back in '74 used oxygen instead of
> > > air, to burn the hydrogen. The Perris Smogless Automobile Association
> > > from UCLA was using a Model "A" Ford as one of their hydrogen fueled
> > > test engines that carried a tank of compressed hydrogen and a tank of
> > > compressed oxygen.
> > >
> > > This was mixed together in an "oxybureter" (a closed carburater)and then
> > > ignited in the cylinders, as is gasoline. The exhaust was pure hydrogen
> > > and oxygen.
> > >
> > > This exhaust was rerouted back to the fuel tank to be used again as
> > > fuel. Unfortunately, many took this to be a perpetual motion device, and
> > > dismissed it without any real consideration. It performed beautifully,
> > > as did their next Hydrogen-Oxygen powered the vehicle, without
> > > pollution, and did not have the relatively weak power compared with an
> > > electric vehicle, such as the Fuel Cell type vehicles use. No matter how
> > > efficient the Fuel Cell, they still use an electric motor.
> > >
> > > In the last 20 years, I have seen little change published regarding
> > > hydrogen power processes. New "electrolysers" are being patented using
> > > the same old electrolysis processes, using higher pressures &
> > > temperature, and achieving more efficient electric power with newer,
> > > expensive electrolytes.
> > >
> > > A few novel approaches noted included forcing electron leakage to
> > > seperate molecules by high voltage, or using "resonant cavities" to
> > > boost and re-boost the power to achieve the necessary decomposition
> > > energy for water.
> > >
> > > Most of these processes use the same principle of using electrochemical
> > > energy to decompose the water, taking a long time to do it, and still
> > > dealing with clumsy storage processes. While these may or may not work
> > > (the patent attorneys don't care), the processes require constant input
> > > energy, and also take too long to generate onboard fuel.
> > >
> > > There is an ongoing debate that a hydrogen-oxygen engine as a closed
> > > system could not work because it is a violation of one of the laws of
> > > thermodynamics - it could not put out more energy than was put into it.
> > >
> > > In other words, it would take more energy to split the water into its
> > > components than it would get out of the hydrogen oxygen combustion.
> > >
> > > One needs to step out of the bounds of chemistry to justify this
> > > self-sustaining chain reaction process. Remember that old concept of
> > > E=MC squared?
> > >
> > > Matter is Energy! Hydrogen and oxygen molecules are energy "packets".
> > > Water molecules are being used up as energy, which balances an energy
> > > equation, when the mass=energy is factored in.
> > >
> > > A Water-Splitting chain reaction is needed, decomposing water into
> > > Hydrogen and oxygen to be used as a non-polluting fuel - if not already
> > > discovered and put away until the fossil fuels are used up.
> > >
> > > My first attempt at a web page still under construction describes a
> > > process to achieve a water-splitting chain reaction.
> > >
> > > http://home.pacbell.net/coop88.waterasfuel3.htm
> > >
> > > To skip the preliminaries, click on "water splitting" to the red lined
> > > part. Sorry I haven't completed my sub/sup scripts in the formulas.
> > > BCNU, Coop
> > > ----------------------
> > > >From another inventor who has been working on it since 1968 and achieved
> > > what I think is major success (8 amps in for hydrogen production, then
> > > 15 amps out with a generator attached to a lawnmower engine that burns
> > > the hydrogen with air)..he is working on his own web page with full
> > > details....he is the closest I know to Dad Garretts success in Dallas in
> > > 1935.......he says;
> > > ----------------------
> > > I use the mixture and run it into the intake with atmospheric air. I
> > > know this creates some oxides of nitrogen, but so does gasoline and
> > > nobody seems to give a damn about that, so neither do I!
> > >
> > > I have built steam engines powered by hydroxy. I have had the idea to
> > > use the vacuum-forming capabilities of hydroxy to let the atmosphere
> > > expand in the cylinders of a rankin-cycle steam engine instead of
> > > steam--but I have never built the machinery.
> > >
> > > If you compress pure hydroxy--it forms water. No good.
> > >
> > > If you inject the mixture into a cylinder and then close the intake
> > > valve and continue to crank for 20 degrees or so--it expands the mixture
> > > and sort of dries it out.
> > >
> > > I detonate at about 20 to 45 degrees past tdc (top dead center of the
> > > piston stroke) and I get a hell-of-a-blast-power-stroke. Because the
> > > hydrogen goes off so fast, you don't need to have it "burn" for the
> > > entire 180 degrees as in a gasoline or diesel engine.
> > >
> > > I use the exhaust stroke open for 180 degrees. This sort of makes the
> > > engine run like a two-stroke--modified.
> > >
> > > When you start using water as fuel, you have to sort of throw out the
> > > rule book. The rules change.
> > > --
> > > Jerry W. Decker / jdecker@keelynet.com
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