Re: Slow Storage/Fast Drain

Kenneth Carrigan ( (no email) )
Tue, 10 Feb 1998 06:49:44 -0500

>Hi Folks!
>
>This idea of pumping water slowly to fill a large reservoir, then
>draining the reservoir for peak power demands is indeed intriguing.

>that right??

Yes, this is 'state' problem especially when it comes to cost of
electricity. During peak hours especially in summer or deep
winter, the power company may not provide enough power to
supply to all customers - hense brown outs, etc. Some/many
power companies buy power from other states/power companies
but at a LARGE cost. Our power company has this all figured
out, hense the two schedules for cost of power. I presently
have the cheaper rate since I take into account the 'peak' times
and pay accordingly.

Well, if a power company could store power for when it needed it
(during peak demands) and it could cost lower in the long run
instead of buying from another company..... Great! So, a long
time ago (learned this in college) power companies would pump
water up a to a reservoir during off peak hours when demand is
very low, and when they need extra power, the water would be
used. This is a very cheap way to store electricity - no secret
and power companies use this. Now if I could pass my costs
on to the consumer.... I'd buy electricity from others and just
pass the costs on... BUT state/federal governments regulate
what power companies can charge... to a certain extent.
>
>Anyway, IMHO the first successful, high use home energy system, will be a
>hybrid.
>
>Using a trickle charge system to feed dual battery networks, one of which
>feeds the house needs while the others is recharging....when the house
>battery in use begins to weaken, the freshly charged battery network is
>switched in and the used battery system switched out to be recharged.
>
>There will be a PRIME MARKET for such a system, without regard for what
>the trickle charge system is. Basically, the system will consist of;
>
> 1) two independent battery systems (ganged/paralleled batteries)
> 2) a controller to detect when the 'in use' battery system is low
> (determines when the battery system in use requires recharging),
> 3) a switcher (this switches the contacts from the weak to the charged
> battery system)
>
>Such a system should be offered in at least two forms, at least 5KW and
>up to 10KW. Ideally, because of the immense efficiency of DC over AC to
>supply local power, all items in the home should be 12VDC and not have to
>use wasteful inverter conversion of 12VDC (batteries) to 120VAC. After
>all, just about every electronic device uses DC anyway. Lots of room
>here for experimentation.

Jer,
I for one could never afford this or want it - due to maintenance problems
and
high costs. EV's or electric vehicles have this exact issue. Batteries
which
would have a low maintenance, low costs, high energy, and last for many
charges over an over. These batteries costs about $30k - and is the main
problem faced by the EV companies at present. Now to build a 10kW
solid state inverter for 60 Hz at 10kW or actually 20KW (peak loads) would
be very very expensive. The US navy buys industrial grade units and they
are water cooled - usually for 400Hz also. But very expensive.

v/r Ken Carrigan