About Crooks, Conmen, Liars & Radical Skeptics - 06/21/98
06/23/98 - My apologies
First of all, I have to make an addendum to this original document and
to apologize if certain lunatics
have placed YOU on their
spam email lists.
I had nothing to do with this and anything attributed to me from this
person is, as usual from this 'source', shall we politely say 'in error.'
As stated later in this document, those who scream loudest and force themselves
and their opinions/beliefs/claims on others have the most to be afraid of, i.e.
FINALLY being found out for the frauds they KNOW they are.
If you want out of such spam lists, I suggest in all fairness that you first
request from the originator that you wish to be removed, failing that, your only
other option (to my best knowledge) is to write emails to his ISP complaining
about his abuse of the Email system.
Like a cornered animal, caught with chicken feathers on its furry lips, it is responding in a characteristically
irrational way. The acolytes yip and yelp their uncomprehending support at its
heels and implosion is inevitable. Don't feel alone, I too have long been spammed
by this particular fraud despite repeated requests to NOT send me such irrational
and erroneous diatribes, so I just delete them on receipt.
A funny quote from one of the good guys, "Cornered rats BITE."
As I and others have asked repeatedly, prove the claims AND let OTHERS prove the claims, or CLEARLY
state that they are JUST THEORIES, otherwise GO AWAY because it is misleading
people, falsely getting all our hopes up and perpetuating myth.
Yet another cheap trick is to make claims of having 'alien technology' or of a free
energy type device 'nearly ready' for production. This is simply a way to drag you to their
website so they can sell you a computer, a book, other printed information, videos,
whatever their 'product' might be or to get you somehow hooked
into their mailing list. Beware of this technique also.
One other point, DIVERSION and OBFUSCATION are other tools to defocus your
attention and distract you away from the original claims so they don't have to EVER prove them.
Using an excuse of, "well, that's still under development, but WHILE I'VE GOT YOUR ATTENTION,
let me show you this," and out comes the product lists of printed material, etc, ad nauseum.
Once people realize this is just another trick to get them to a particular website and they stop calling,
the perpetrator comes up with something else that is ever more fabulous or incredible in hopes that people
will again be teased and cajoled back to their website.
I think they should just be up front about it and stick with what they actually do, sell literature, videos
or whatever and stay away from using false 'hooks' to attract people to their sites. Nothing wrong
with business, but please stick to some form of ethical, responsible behavior.
Just like good magic, watch this hand while I pick your pocket with the other. The offering of
simple diversions won't deter those who can see through such a cheap trick, so keep your eyes open.
Now for the 'rest of the story' as from 06/21/98
I have refrained from responding publicly to the nutcases, crooks, fanatics and
the radical skeptics who would prefer to rail and scream against those of us who
are of the opinion that certain OBVIOUS natural forces will inevitably be practically
tapped. Results will come from our unflinching focus and correlations, all of which will
happen because the serious researchers recognize that our combined, freely shared
investigations and observations will evoke the discoveries we seek.
My feelings have been that responding to such crazies would have no positive future.
As a couple of close friends say, 'Pick Your Battles'. However, with the latest
irrational diatribe that was widely sent out by the 'radioactive crackpot', I wanted to
express my gratitude to those who have sent very kind emails and who recognize
what is going on here.
I am aware of some of the accusations and comments posted on some homepages
and which directly target KeelyNet. Though I've NOT checked them out personally
as they simply aren't worth my time or interest. Most of these people either have
no life or friends to speak of or have been caught as crooks or liars, so for them,
it is a natural response to accuse any and all who point this out or who ask for proof of
their claims (which we should all ROUTINELY DO!!), so let time be their judge.
KeelyNet has been around since 1988, long before many of these kids even knew what
alternative science was and there were many who PRECEDED us. What makes us different
is we aren't in it for money or the power trips that so many get swept up in. I
and most of the people I know work for a living rather than trying to con you out of
your money.
We've had 'opportunities' to get involved in various projects which were obviously
scams and proved to be that with time, but never got involved in them because they
always revolved around somehow ripping people off or hiding information.
You will note no matter how many conferences these people attend, always
making ever more amazing claims, you have not nor will you ever see any
working free energy device FROM THEM. They are in it primarily to get into
your wallet and/or to get as much public exposure as they can, seeking your
adulation and worship of them as some sort of great inventor. So, keep a big block of salt
handy when reading or hearing their claims and let your wife, mate or
trusted friend hold your checkbook, credit card and wallet.
As long as you are not given an opportunity to prove the claim for yourself,
either as a kit or plans, I would recommend you take it as fanciful
entertainment or an interesting theory, nothing more.
KeelyNet was and always will be for those who are seekers of truth,
all else can simply go away. We don't seek you out, you sought KeelyNet
out. We simply want people who are sincere and really want to make a
positive difference with their efforts, that entails some degree of perception
and discrimination. If you choose to believe the many spurious and often false
claims of the cranks, fine, more power to you, it's a free country and I'd
have it no other way.
As a matter of record, I sincerely hope one or more of
these people actually DO come out with something that WORKS and that other
independent sources can verify, but my experience has been one of sheer
frustration once I realized paranoia, ego or greed was involved. All I ask
is that you look at their history and 'dealings' and the truth will be
self-evident. When your mind congeals enough to comprehend reality,
let's try to work together, otherwise just go away, remember we didn't
hunt you down or spam you to get your attention, you came to us.
KeelyNet is not here for Greed - we charge for nothing on the website,
though will accept donations if someone desires to help keep it alive. We
don't make claims of special knowledge, offering plans FOR SALE that don't
work, or that consist of information lifted outright from other experimenters
and without any credit to them, seeking to bolster our own finances by ripping
off people who are openly trusting in those claims to be true. We just present
the information, sometimes with comments or correlations that might be useful and let you
decide for yourself.
We also believe information should be free and so
have always provided files that we think are of use or interest, freely. At
one point we did sell disks of the KeelyNet files, but only after so many
asked for this as they wanted ALL the files at one time, though they have
always been freely available for download on the BBS. The BBS was
discontinued as of November 1996 primarily because of a hard drive failure
but also due to the time it takes to keep both the KeelyNet website up and the BBS was just too
time consuming.
KeelyNet is not here for Ego - we don't claim to know everything nor do we
lambast all other theories and ideas, rather we look for correlations between
many inventors, ideas and known facts. We started out as a semi-public BBS in 1988,
intended for experimenters and people who wanted to make positive changes by
developing alternative technologies, then moved to the web which invariably
brought us from our small group of of 1500 or so associates to being fully
public. This migration to the Internet was 'resisted' for as long as
possible after seeing the nature of responses in newsgroups and discussion
lists as Bill Beaty will affirm.
We have always tried to be low key, never advertising and preferring word of
mouth advertising among the real experimenters and investigators, rather than
trying to attract people who just wanted free entertainment. That was
never the intent as we were always aware of the conmen who would either try
to use our associates for their own purposes (and we've had more than our
share, even kicking some off once we recognized what was happening) or the
skeptics who would try to disorient and confuse the issues at every
opportunity. Such entities saturate the net and often target us and our associates.
KeelyNet is not here for Power - we don't try to control the flow of information
or ideas, nor do we focus EXCLUSIVELY on the study of John Keely, trying to
set any one group or person up as the final arbiter and ultimate resource.
There is no such thing as one single source of information (well, without getting
metaphysical about it), our answers will come from open and free sharing of
information and ideas, which includes discussion and interaction from interested
participants.
Just look at the person or people casting the stones and you will see that the bottomline
is this;
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1) They often claim to be THE discoverer or THE ones with all the answers, yet
basic investigation clearly shows they rip off the ideas of others in hopes
the rest of us are either not well enough read or too stupid to recognize
blatant plagiarism. This is particularly nauseating when new people get sucked
up in this because they simply haven't done their homework. The current infection
of radioactive sources claimed as the key to damn near every free energy device
so far reported has polluted and confused the field significantly and there is
not one successful duplication based on the claims.
Learn from this, READ
THE ORIGINAL, UNEDITED REPORTS and judge from that, forget these New Age
cranks injecting their own beliefs for the purposes of EGO and GREED, trying
to get into your wallet or making you think they are some kind of genius. If
that was the case you could buy a working device based on their claims and
that hasn't happened and it won't IMO. We will see it in the form of a freely
distributed set of plans that let you build a tabletop demo (non-radioactive) that you build
from these free plans off the Internet. And it won't be JUST KeelyNet, it will
be available on MANY sites and through many magazines. We believe ALL SHOULD BENEFIT,
worldwide and with as little cost as possible involved.
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2) The other people, mostly the Skeptics, are the ones who simply cannot
comprehend that there are indeed forces in the universe which we don't
understand.
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Point number one - there is no such thing as a closed system as long as there
is gravity and zpe flows into mass, therefore you can get energy from OUTSIDE
what is claimed to be a CLOSED system.
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Point number two - there IS 'perpetual motion' as is evident in the rotation of planets, the orbit of those planets around
the sun and the orbit of electrons around the nucleus. Our problem is quite
simple, how do we tap into these forces to drive our machines and produce
all the power we need? The aphorism, 'As Above, So Below' is I think indicative
that our ancestors knew far more than we give them credit for.
It is quite different when there are honest mistakes involved and this response
is directed to those who KNOWINGLY and in many cases are intentionally fraudulent,
counting on the credulity or lack of knowledge of those who get caught up in
their claims and hoping their followers will never ask for a working device,
a kit or plans that would allow them to build their OWN working model. This
is a SURE SIGN of honesty and truth, when you can build or buy your own working model.
You will note the ones who create mischief have been caught publicly as being
crooks or cranks. Shakespeare said it best, 'Methinks the lady doth protest
TOO much' which is why they post all those crazy emails and webpages slamming
anyone who doesn't follow their particular one dimensional belief system. It's really quite simple.
- If you make a claim, be prepared to let others independently test it
or shut up until you are confident or secure enough to be able to do so,
forget all the excuses from paranoia or unforeseen equipment problems.
- Be upfront about it and SAY THESE ARE THEORIES or REPORTS and don't
ask for money unless you have something that works.
- Don't sell plans that you never built and haven't proved, claiming that
they work and enticing people to waste their hard earned money and scant spare
time building your fantasies. You will reap the punishment you so richly
deserve.
- Don't resort to God as your sole proof. You make yourself out as a religious
fanatic and though you might have good ideas, you paint yourself into a
corner that most reality based people will walk away from. We live in the
real world and need real proofs that we can all use in the form of hardware.
- Finally, there is no need to slam others publicly. Say what you have
to say privately and preferably between the people involved, we don't need the
dirty laundry aired in lists or webpages. We should ALL be working together
and as long as people are honest and upfront about their claims and activities,
the sooner we will see working devices that all can be using to make life better.
One final word, we all have to work and make a living, well most of us, so
we do what we can. For Pete's sake, don't demand things from people you
don't even know, who owe you NOTHING. It is a sure sign that you were either
raised in a barn or have some kind of mental problem, and I guarantee your
emails and other communications will be deleted or discarded without being
read.
As a rule, every item posted on KeelyNet will be for informational purposes
only and I'll tell you up front, we've not built a single working device from
any of this. However, when we DO FIND A WORKING DEVICE that we have verified
and duplicated independently, we will post enough information that you can
prove the principle of what the inventor is claiming, as in
the PoP.
These Alternative Science studies are after all, a JOINT EFFORT and we all
need to work together. If you can't or won't play fair, please find another
sandbox with kids of your own character. Come back when you've grown up and
can get along and play well with others.
Thanks again for the positive and most uplifting emails, most of us are
doing what we can and certainly try to keep abreast and post that which is
useful, new or might have potential in our own investigations.
About Quantity/Quality, IMO, it is far better to see 10 posts a week that
offer useful information than 1000 that have nothing of use.
Take care of yourself, we all have work to do and a part to contribute to
making free energy, gravity control and electronic health a reality, so
if anything REAL pops up, you'll see a 'heads up' on KeelyNet either as
a source document, a URL leading to other sites or pointers leading to a
magazine or book that might have useful information...>>> Jerry Wayne Decker