[Interview] Dr. Ryke Geerd Hamer

Translated July 1992

THE "NEW MEDICINE" by Dr. med. Ryke Geerd Hamer.  Questions and Answers

The following has been translated from a tape recording produced in German by "Amici di Dirk" Verlag, Koln, Germany.

It is meant as an introduction to Dr. Ryke Geerd Hamer's "NEW MEDICINE" and his books "CANCER, DISEASE OF THE PSYCHE" and "LEGACY OF A NEW MEDICINE, Volume 1, The Ontogenetic System of Tumors including Cancer, Leukemia, Psychosis and Epilepsy".

This information will familiarise you with the subject of these books.

It is also necessary in order to understand the tape recording in which specific diseases are discussed; for example, different kinds of cancers and cancer- equivalent diseases.

Q. 1 Dr. Hamer, what prompted your research into cancer and making a connection between the psyche and disease?

A. I didn't really occupy myself with this until 1978. I was a doctor of internal medicine and had worked for fifteen years in university clinics, five of them as a professor. I also had my own private practice for a few years until 1978. Then a terrible thing happened: while asleep in a boat my son Dirk was shot, without any reason, by a madman, an Italian prince. This was a terrible shock for me, sudden and unexpected, and I was powerless to react.

Everyday events or conflicts don't usually catch us so "off guard". We generally have a chance to anticipate the normal conflicts that we face in life, but the conflicts we are unable to prepare for and which cause this helplessness and inability to react, create, in essence, a panic shock. We call these biological conflicts.

In 1978 I developed testicle cancer from such a biological conflict, a so-called "loss conflict". Since I had never been seriously ill, I wondered if my condition had anything to do with the death of my son. Three years later, as chief of internal medicine in a gynecology-oncology clinic at Munich University, I had the opportunity to study female patients with cancer and to compare my findings to see if their mechanism was the same as mine; if they too had experienced such a terrible shock.

I found that all of them, without exception, had experienced the same type of biological conflict as I had. They were able to recollect the shock, the resulting sleeplessness, weight loss, cold hands and the beginning of tumor growth. At the time, my point of view was very different from all the current medical concepts, and when I presented these discoveries to my colleagues, they gave me an ultimatum: either to deny my findings or leave the clinic immediately.

Q. 2 It sounds like the Middle Ages! How did you react?

A. I couldn't deny what I believed to be the truth, so of course I left. This unjust dismissal caused me another biological conflict; I lost my self-confidence. I vividly recall my frustration and disappointment at being expelled from the clinic for presenting well-researched, incontestable and new scientific knowledge. I had not thought such a thing possible. It was very traumatic and I had a difficult time examining the last two hundred patients. I finished my studies, however, and on the last day, the IRC - the IRON RULE OF CANCER - was born.

Q. 3 Perhaps you can explain in simple terms what the essential criteria of the IRC are?

A. The IRC is a biological law. It has three criteria. The first is that every cancer or cancer-equivalent ailment develops with a DHS. This is a very severe, highly acute, dramatic and isolating conflict-occurrence shock which registers simultaneously on three levels:

a) in the psyche

b) in the brain

c) on the organ

The DHS is the DIRK HAMER SYNDROME. I called it this because the shock of my son's death caused my testicular cancer. This DHS has since become the main focal point of the New Medicine.

In every individual case of disease, we have to conscientiously find the DHS with all its variables. We have to think back to the specific occurrence to understand why someone has become afflicted with this biological conflict problem; the reason why it was so traumatic; why there was nobody to discuss it with and why it was a problem.

A good doctor has to be able to transpose himself into the soul of an infant, an embryo, an old man, a young girl or even an animal. He must transpose himself into the actual time of the DHS. Only then will he be able to discover the biological conflict and distinguish it from hundreds of other problems.

Q. 4 The IRC has two more criteria?

A. Yes. The second criterion is that at the time of the DHS it is the conflict-content that determines (a) the HH, which is the specific location in the brain, and (b) the location of the cancer or cancer-equivalent in the body's organs. Each conflict has a very specific content which defines itself at exactly the same moment as the DHS. The product/result of the conflict-content is "associative", which means that it happens unconsciously and will therefore bypass our conscious understanding. For example, a typical "water-related" or "liquid-related" conflict would develop in a driver involved in an accident in which his truck lost all its oil, or a milkman's truck lost all its milk. The association of the shock from the accident with the liquid causes a water-related biological conflict which registers as a specific ailment - cancer of the kidney.

Q. 5 That means then that every conflict-content or event relates to a well-defined kind of cancer and is registered in a specific area of the brain?

A. Yes, a very specific relay in the brain. In the case of the kidney cancer caused by a water or liquid related occurrence, a short circuit occurs at the moment of the DHS in a pre-determined place in the brain, causing a problem in the right or left kidney, as the case may be.

This short-circuit, which shows up as a lesion on the brain, can be photographed with a computed-tomography (CT) and looks like the concentric rings on a target, or like a picture of a surface of water into which a stone has been dropped. Radiologists mistake these rings as a defect in the equipment. This relay in the brain is called the HH. This name, by the way, comes from my opponents who mockingly called these areas the 'Hamersche Herd' - Hamer's comical seats.

Q. 6 And what is the third criterion of the IRC?

A. The third criterion is that the conflict course corresponds with a specific course of the HH in the brain and a very specific course of cancer or cancer-equivalent disease in the organ.

In other words, this biological conflict strikes on three levels simultaneously: the psyche, the brain and the organ. It is now obvious and proven that the course of the conflict is synchronized on all three levels.

The point is that it is a pre-determined system in the strongest scientific sense because, if you know the exact location of any one of the levels, the other two can be found and unlocked. This means we have an organism that we can think of in three levels, but it is actually one unit.

The following story will illustrate this point: after a lecture I gave in Vienna in May 1991, a doctor handed me a brain computed-tomogram of a patient and asked me to disclose this person's organic state and to which conflict it belonged. There were twenty colleagues present, including some radiologists and CT specialists. Of the three levels, I had only the brain level in front of me. From these brain CT scans I was able to diagnose a fresh bleeding bladder carcinoma in the healing phase, an old prostate carcinoma, diabetes, an old lung carcinoma and a sensoric paralysis of a specific area in the body and, of course, the corresponding conflicts. The doctor stood up and said "Congratulations, Mr. Hamer! Five diagnoses and five hits. That's exactly what the patient has, and you were even able to differentiate what he has now and what he had before. Fantastic!". One of the radiologists said "From now on I'm convinced of your method. How could you have guessed the fresh bleeding bladder carcinoma? I could find nothing in the CT scan but now that you have shown us the relay, I can follow the findings."

Q. 7 Perhaps we could talk for a moment about the psychic level. How would I know that I have had a shock from which a cancer might result? How would I recognize it?

A. There are very specific signs which clearly distinguish the ordinary conflicts and problems in our daily lives. From the very first moment of a DHS, you would experience continuous stress on the sympathetic nervous system. The symptoms would include cold hands and/or feet, loss of appetite, weight loss, sleeplessness and dwelling day and night on the conflict content. This situation will only change when the conflict has been resolved. In contrast, therefore, to normal everyday problems, we see the patient falling into a lasting stress phase which will cause specific symptoms and a growing cancer. The HH in the brain, which is immediately visible, shows that the patient's psyche has very precise, defined symptoms which cannot be overlooked.

Q. 8 What happens then, when such a biological conflict has been solved?

A. When a biological conflict is solved we can see very clear symptoms, on the psychic level, on the brain and on the organ level. On the psychic and vegetative level, we see that the patient is no longer dwelling on the conflict content. Hands suddenly get warm again, appetite improves, weight normalizes and the patient sleeps better. There may also be fatigue and weakness and a need to rest. This is in no way the beginning of the end, but it's a very positive sign. This healing phase varies in duration, depending on the duration of the prior conflict. At the height of the healing phase, when the body retains a lot of water, we see the epileptic or epileptoid crisis, which shows a different symptom for every disease.

After the epileptic-epileptoid crisis, the body expels water from the edema (infiltration of tissues with water) and slowly returns to normality and the patient feels his strength returning. On the brain level we see the parallel development - where the HH in the conflict active phase had a target ring configuration, during the healing phase shows an edema. We can see on the CT scan how the rings of the HH darken and blur as the whole relay swells at this point in time. This epileptic or epileptoid crisis, triggered by the brain, marks the high point of the edema and, respectively, the turning point to normality. In the second half of the healing phase, the brain's harmless connective tissue, the glia, fills the HH to repair it. This really harmless connective tissue, which we can colour white on the CT scan with an iodine contrast substance, was previously mistaken as a brain tumor and operated on. Since the brain cells themselves CANNOT multiply after birth, REAL brain tumors cannot exist.

On the organ level we see that the cancer growth stops. This means that the biological conflict has been solved - we call this "conflictolysis". This is a very important perception which charts the therapy ahead. On the organ level we see very distinct healing improvements which we will discuss later. Even the epileptic crisis appears on the corresponding two levels as well as on the organ level (psyche, brain and organ).

Q. 9 Can you describe such an epileptic crisis?

A. The epileptic crisis is something Mother Nature devised a billion years ago. It runs on all three levels at the same time. It happens at the height of the healing phase, its purpose being to normalize again. What we usually call an epileptic cramp-spasm with muscle cramps is only one form of the epileptic crisis, namely, after resolving a motoric conflict.

Epileptoid crises occur in every disease but with some variations in each. Mother Nature created quite a trick for this meaningful event. In the middle of the healing phase, the patient experiences a recurrence of the physiological conflict, which means the patient experiences his/her conflict for a short time (stress phase) all over again including the cold hands, centralized cold sweat and all the symptoms of the conflict active phase. This happens so that the brain edema gets suppressed and the fluid from it eliminated and the patient can return to normal.

After the epileptic crisis, the patient will warm up and then experience the first small urinary phase. From this epileptic crisis on, the patient is on the road to normality. In other words, if the patient can get past this crisis, a further complicated or serious crisis is unlikely. The second urinary phase occurs at the end of the healing phase when the body eliminates a mass of urine which is the rest of the edema. The danger point lies just before the end of the epileptic-epileptoid crisis when it will become evident whether or not the epileptic crisis was enough to steer the regulator or controller (in the brain) around. The best-knownepileptic crisis is the heart infarct. The epileptoid crisis is a lung embolism, hepatitis crisis or pneumonia crisis.

To assist the body to make the necessary changes, especially in conflicts of long duration, a strong cortisone injection is sometimes necessary. In very difficult cases, the cortisone may be given sooner.

Q. 10 Could you describe some typical conflicts and explain why you call them "biological conflicts"?

A. The reason we call them biological conflicts is because historical evolution has to be understood and an analogy found, as the conflicts run analogously in humans and animals. Biological conflicts have nothing to do with our intellectual or psychological conflicts or problems. They are of a fundamentally different quality. They are, by nature, quasi-implanted trouble-events in the archaic behaviour program of our brain. You think that you think. In reality, the conflict has already associatively hit a fraction of a second before you even began to think. For example, when a wolf preys on a young lamb, the lamb's mother will suffer a mother-child conflict just as a human mother would. She will get teat cancer on the same side as a human mother would get breast cancer. The side depends on whether the human is left or right-handed or, in the case of animals, left or right-footed.

The HH for the mother-child "nest territory" conflict will be in the same place in the mother's brain as the relay for the mother-child "relationship". The HH for the child-mother conflict, especially the suck-behaviour conflict, will also be in the same place in the infant's brain as the relay for the child-mother "relationship". All our biological conflicts can be categorized according to this historical evolution. When the special behaviour was programmed throughout our historical evolution, not only the organs and brain areas belonged together but even the conflicts became related.

All these psyche-related trouble events lie historically and organically very close together in our brain. They even have the same histological (organic tissues) cell formation. We can see such wonderful order in nature once we learn to look at our organism from its historical evolution.

Q. 11 Could you give a few examples from daily life?

A. Suppose a mother is standing on the sidewalk holding her child by the hand, and chatting with her neighbour. The child pulls away and runs onto the street. The squeal of brakes is heard as the child is hit by a car. The mother had no warning and is caught totally off guard. She freezes from the shock. The child is taken to the hospital and is in critical condition for days. The mother gets ice cold hands, cannot sleep or eat and experiences constant stress from which a knot begins to grow in her left breast, if she is right-handed. She suffers a typical mother-child conflict, with a target formation in the right cerebellum. From the moment the child returns home and the doctor says "We were lucky, the child is well again" the mother's hands will warm up and the conflict-solving phase will start; she will sleep better and regain her appetite. This is a typical conflict which has the same consequences in humans and animals.

Another example: a woman catches her husband in bed with her best girlfriend. She will suffer a sexual-frustration conflict. In biological language, the conflict being copulation, it will cause a carcinoma in the uterus of a right-handed woman. Not everyone would necessarily get such a conflict in the same situation. For instance, if the woman didn't love her husband and was contemplating divorcing him, she would not feel this shock as a sexual conflict but rather as a human conflict because of the lack of togetherness in the family. The conflict would then be a partner-conflict that would cause breast cancer in the right breast if the woman was right-handed. What appears to be the same event will have a different psychological significance for every individual.

The decisive issue is not what happened but how the patient felt the experience in the psychic moment of the DHS. This same event could also be a fear-revolt conflict, bringing on hypoglycemia (abnormally low blood sugar), if the woman caught her husband in a very ugly situation, perhaps with a prostitute. Or it could bring on a feeling of self-worthlessness with or without a sexual conflict, if the woman caught her husband with a girl twenty years younger than her. Her feeling then might be "I can't compete" or "I can't offer him what she can." In such a case, it would be the skeleton, the pubic bone of the pelvis, that would be stricken, where one would see osteolysis (calcium deficiency) as a sign of feelings of sexual self-worthlessness.

You have to know all this to find out what the patient thought at the time of the DHS because it is in that instant that the path is laid on which the course of the disease will continue. This path paints a very significant picture because all eventual set-backs and residual problems will be contingent on this one-time event. We can even talk here about a conflict allergy.

Q. 12 Dr. Hamer, can one already treat a patient with the IRC?

A. In principle, yes, but the IRC is only the first law of the biological process of the New Medicine. Altogether, we have five biological processes which I have found empirically, which means they are now observable in up to 15,000 collected and documented cases. If one works conscientiously, one should examine all five biological processes.

Q. 13 Let us follow the sequence. What is the second law of the biological process that you found?

A. The second biological law of the New Medicine is the fact that every disease has two phases.

Q. 14 All diseases? Not only cancer?

A. Yes, all diseases have two phases - "cold" and "hot". In the past, doctors saw about 1,000 diseases but were unaware of these two phases. 500 would have been "cold" diseases when the blood vessels contract, causing pallor and weight loss. The other 500 would have been "hot" diseases with fever, dilated blood vessels, great tiredness and a good appetite. All these avoidable diseases were thought of as separate diseases. We now know that this was incorrect. According to our present knowledge, only 500 diseases have two phases. The first is always the "cold" conflict active phase with the stress on the sympathetic nervous system, and the second, if the conflict can be solved, is always the "hot" recovery-healing phase. Of course, the HH for these two phases lies in the same place in the brain, so you can consider them as the same HH. In the conflict active phase, the CT scan shows a sharp ring target and, in the healing phase, the rings dissolve in the edema.

From this example, we see that this biological law is important not only for cancer, but for all medicine. Even an old hart (a deer's mate) which has been driven out of his territory by a young hart will be in lasting stress, enduring a biological conflict - namely, a territorial conflict with an HH over the right ear in the brain. The hart charges the younger one, wanting only to win back his territory. He can't eat or sleep, he loses weight and eventually gets a heart cramp or angina pectoris. Organically speaking, he has an ulcera, which means he has small abscesses in the coronary artery. He charges the younger hart because it is the only way to get the rival out of his territory. After this act, he will go into a long-lasting healing (vagotony) phase. He will get his warm extremities back, will eat again and then be very tired. At the height of the healing phase, he will experience a heart infarct as an epileptoid crisis. If he survives, he will be able to keep his territory. It's the same in the animal world as with humans. For a man, his territory would be his farm, his own business, the family or his workplace. We have several share-territories; even a car can be a territory.

In humans, a heart infarct will only be noticeable if the conflict has lasted at least three or four months; however, if the conflict has lasted more than a year and the start of the second phase has been overlooked, it is usually fatal. The brain CT scan is a very quick way to diagnose this. One can ask why medical doctors did not discover this law of the two phases a long time ago as it is so obvious. The answer is as easy as it was difficult before. If the conflict does not get solved, the disease stays in the first phase, meaning that the individual stays in the conflict active phase, getting thinner all the time and in the end dying from enervation or cachexia. The law of the two phases in all diseases applies only where the individual can solve the conflict. Nevertheless, this law applies to every disease and, respectively, to every conflict because, in principle, every conflict can be solved in various ways.

Q. 15 Dr. Hamer, what is the third biological law you found?

A. It is the ontogenetic system of tumors and cancer equivalents.

Q. 16 What does the technical term "ontogenetic" mean?

A. Ontogenetic means that all diseases in medicine derive from the historical evolution of man.

Q. 17 How did you discover it?

A. I discovered the ontogenetic system of tumors and cancer-equivalents after observation of about 10,000 cases. I worked absolutely empirically, like a good scientist should. I documented all the collected cases and the CT scans of the brain with their histological findings. Only after I had put them all together and compared them did I see that there was a system. It was breathtaking, particularly since we had never thought it possible.

There were many patients in whom compact tumors grew with cell- augmentation in the conflict active phase (or sympathicotony phase) but in others grew something in the healing phase (or vagotony phase) after the conflict was solved (conflictolysis). It just couldn't be the same disease. So there were two sorts of cell augmentations:

(i) one in the conflict active phase; and

(ii) the other in the healing phase.

Diseases which have cell-dwindling or cell-shrinkage (holes, necroses or ulcers, also called abscesses) in the active phase - have cell-augmentation in the healing phase. I compared these different findings and always saw the system. The tumors that formed in the conflict active phase cell- augmentation always had their relays together in the brain stem and cerebellum. These two brain parts are together called "the old brain".

All cancer diseases, therefore, which build cell-augmentation in the conflict active phase, have their relay in the old brain from where they get their directions. And all so-called tumors, which are really only an overflowing kind of healing symptom built through cell-augmentation during the healing phase, have their relays in the cerebrum.

This systematic connection was discovered in 1987 and called the "ontogenetic system of tumors and cancer-equivalents". With the Iron Rule of Cancer and the law that there are two phases in all diseases, the very first systematic classification of the New Medicine was laid out.

'Ontogenesis' means the origin and development of the individual living being. 'Ontogenetic' means relating to the development of the individual being. So the ontogenetic system of tumors means that neither the location of the HH in the brain nor the kind of tumor or necrosis that subsequently develops, happen simply by chance, because everything has been logically pre-destined in the historical evolution of man.

It is said that ontogeny is a recapitulation of phylogeny (the evolutionary development of an organism or groups of organisms), which means that the development of the different species up to the human is repeated in the embryonic time of the child and during infancy. We know that the three primary cell layers are created in the first weeks of human embryonic development and all the organs derive from these three primary cell layers:

(i) the inner or endoderm;

(ii) the middle or mesoderm; and

(iii) the outer or ectoderm

Every cell and every organ in our body can be seen in relation to one of these cell-layers. The organs that develop from the inner cell-layer have their relay or steering place in the brain stem, the oldest part of the brain. In cancer cases, they produce cell-augmentation with compact tumors of the adeno cell type.

The cells, respectively organs, which develop from the outer cell-layer have their relay or steering place in the cerebral cortex of the cerebrum, the youngest part of our brain. In cancer cases, they all cause cell-dwindling in the form of abscesses or ulcera or they sacrifice a function on the organic level, like diabetes or paralysis.

In the middle cell layer, we must differentiate between the older and the younger group. The cells, respectively organs, which belong to the older group of the middle cell layer, have their relays in the cerebellum, which means they still belong to the old brain and therefore produce a compact tumor of the adenoid cell type in the conflict active phase.

The cells, respectively organs, which belong to the younger group of the middle cell layers, have their steering place in the medullary layer of the cerebrum. They therefore produce necroses or tissue holes, respectively, cell-dwindling-like holes in bones, the spleen, the kidneys or ovaries, named bone-, spleen-, kidney-osteolyse or ovary necrosis, in the conflict active phase.

From this one can see that cancer is not a nonsensical development of wildly growing cells. It is an understandable and even foreseeable occurrence which adheres precisely to the ontogenetic system.

Q. 18 Not all growths are the same. Perhaps you could clarify and explain the differences in growths in specific diseases?

A. Yes, that's exactly why, until now, one couldn't detect a system in cancer formation. The present school of medicine, which I now call the "medicine of pupils", has a classification with no systematic connection. People say there is cancer when cells produce an overflowing growth but, as we can now see, cells can build different overflowing growth in different phases, as in the conflict active phase and the healing phase.

For instance, a patient has an indigestion-conflict, as if he has half swallowed a big chunk but can't digest it. Let's say he bought a house and suddenly found that the sale contract was not valid, he had been taken in and he lost the house. From this shock he could develop a cell-augmentation in the stomach called adeno carcinoma which is a cauliflower-like growth in the stomach. This carcinoma happens in the conflict active phase with the HH on the right side of the brain stem, the oldest part of the brain, in the so-called "pons".

Another example: a patient suffers a conflict with water, liquid or an equivalent; while swimming in the ocean, the young patient loses his strength, is close to drowning but is saved at the last minute. For months he dreams about drowning and can't go close to water. He suffers from kidney cancer (parenchyma necrosis) and develops cell decay (necrosis) in the kidney tissue (parenchyma ), until the kidney can no longer function. Years later, the patient goes on holiday with his family to the ocean. As his daughter loves the water, he joins her; with this action he solves his conflict. In the healing phase, a big kidney cyst grows, a cell augmentation. This cyst gets hard (indurates ) from a kind of connective tissue that helps the kidney in its task of urination. And so we arrive at the original reason for the tumor. These cancers or tumors are by no means senseless; on the contrary, they are something rather useful.

As in our example, when a big chunk is swallowed but cannot be digested, the organism produces a big tumor. This is not senseless because the digestive cells and intestinal cells produce a lot of digestive juice in order to make the chunk more digestible.

This same intelligence can be seen with the kidney cyst which built a big new kidney to urinate again. This is the reason for the different cell growth tumors which we couldn't distinguish before.

We can now precisely differentiate between them and distinguish them in the brain according to the histological formation and conflicts. All these connections are summarized in this ontogenetic system of tumors and cancer equivalents.

Every disease we know in medicine runs along these five biological laws. They can be examined and reproduced after this ontogenetic system of tumors and cancer equivalents.

The phenomena in the psyche and in the brain are equal during the same phase, but on the organic level they differ. Here we see the old brain steering organs which build cell-augmentation in the conflict active phase, while the cerebrum steers the organs to form holes, necroses and ulcers in the conflict active phase. In the healing phase they act in reverse. In the healing phase the old brain steers organs to break down tumors with the help of special microbes, while the cerebrum is steering organs to fill the holes, necroses and ulcers with the help of viruses and bacteria, by swelling.

Q. 19 I suppose we now come to the fourth law?

A. Yes, the ontogenetic system of microbes.

Q. 20 Dr. Hamer, what role do microbes play in your system? One hears in this connection a lot about the immune system.

A. Up until now, we had thought that microbes caused infections. This view seemed correct as microbes are found in every infection. In reality, it is not true. The whole immune system is only a 'fata morgana', built on hypothesis.

In avoidable diseases we also forgot or overlooked the first phase, the conflict active phase. Only after the conflict is solved do the microbes become active. Indeed, they are directed and activated by the brain. They are NOT our enemies; they help us and work on the ordering of our organism. Since they are directed from the brain, they help break down cancer tumors after their task is fulfilled, or build up the holes, necroses and tissue damage from the other cerebrum groups. They are our faithful helpers, our guest workers! The concept of the immune system, the army that fights against the bad microbes, is simply wrong.

A.  If we leave aside for now pleural tuberculosis and concentrate just on pulmonary (lung) tuberculosis, then one can say that pulmonary tuberculosis is actually always the healing phase of an earlier lung alveoli cancer.

This lung alveoli cancer has corresponding to it on the psyche level a death-anxiety conflict, and is always directed from the brainstem. Thus it grows in the conflict active phase, and will in the healing phase be broken down by the mycobacteria, the tuberculosis bacteria if they are present. The remnants become caseous and are coughed out, often with bloody sputum, which often shocked patients and doctors and led to new death-anxiety conflicts, so that they were thrown into a vicious cycle.

But among animals it all functions according to plan -- the lung tumors are "caseated", coughed up and their little caverns remain. Thus the lung has a fundamentally better ability to breathe than the lung had earlier with those solid alveolar tumors. To be sure, if in this healing phase the necessary mycobacteria are lacking, then the tumors remain. Today we often still see, after decades have gone by, these old lung tumors that cannot grow anymore and are completely inactive. In former times we saw these caverns, emptied nodules instead, as there were tubercle mycobacteria everwhere.

Q. 22 Dr. Hamer, perhaps we could come to the practical therapy of the conflicts. Is conversation therapy your first step?

A. Not really. We don't need conversation therapy as it is used in psychotherapy, but we must of course talk about the problem. Let's look at the animal kingdom again. An animal can only survive by real conflict resolution. The hart will only be able to survive if he regains his territory. The animal mother robbed of her cub can only survive if she gets her cub back. Mother Nature has a built-in remedy so that the mother quickly gets a new offspring and solves her conflict.

We should solve our conflicts as practically and as realistically as the animals. A man whose wife has left him either needs to get his wife back or get another woman. The hart needs his territory back or another territory. A permanent solution is the best solution.

If this cannot be done, we try talk therapy as a second possibility. The traditional therapy used up until now has been "Take some tranquillizers to calm you down".

Mother Nature has not created this stress phase without purpose, since it is only because of the stress that the individual will be able to solve his or her conflict. This stress must be activated to allow the patient the possibility to solve their conflict. If you were to give tranquillizers to the hart, he would be unable to fight and regain his territory; instead, he would be paralysed from fighting off any intruder.

One can see in psychiatry how patients who have been given tranquillizers often become chronically ill. Their natural ability to solve their conflicts has been taken from them with the consequence that some of them have to live the rest of their lives in psychiatric wards.

Q. 23 Dr. Hamer, how can one work therapeutically with the five biological laws that you discovered?

A. We have to imagine that a patient has three levels: the psyche, the brain and the organ which together form the organism. The new therapy should be thought of in terms of these three levels or as extensions of them.

First of all, it is necessary to find the DHS (conflict shock) and the conflict content, if possible, on all three levels, and this has to be done very conscientiously and carefully. Consideration has to be given as to whether the patient is right or left-handed to establish on which of the two cerebral hemispheres the patient works. We have to establish the hormonal situation: is a female patient sexually mature or is she pregnant? Is she taking birth control pills (which cause blocking of the hormone production in the ovaries), or is she in menopause? The same is true for a man: through hormonal changes the brain side on which the patient works changes. So, a woman who takes the pill will react in a masculine fashion, with male characteristics; woman taking birth control pills will react with a territory- conflict when her husband walks out on her, walks out of her territory.

We don't look for the conflict on the level of the psyche only; one has to localize it exactly in the brain according to the conflict phase in which we are at the moment of the anamnesis (the patient's account of his past history) and examination. The HH in the brain has to correspond exactly with the cancer disease of the organ. Each specific localization in the brain belongs to a very specific organ in the body or vice versa. The conflict must be solved starting at the psychic level, as the real problem is the basis of the conflict.

The mother's child who had an accident must get healthy again. A man who had a territorial conflict because he lost his job must either find another job or territory, retire, join a club or devote his time to a hobby. There are many possible solutions for every conflict. In nature, the solutions are built-in. For example, when the sheep was robbed of her lamb, she solved her conflict by bearing another lamb. In humans too, pregnancy has absolute precedence from the third month on - no cancer can continue to grow as pregnancy has absolute priority.

We experience most complications on the brain level when the edema develops as a sign of healing. The patient's brain pressure has to be watched so that he or she does not fall into a coma. In light cases, during this phase, coffee, tea, dextropur, vitamin C, Coca Cola or an ice pack can be of some help. In more difficult cases, cortisone (in the compatible retard form) is the choice we make today. Cortisone does not cure cancer; it is used only as a symptomatic drug against the brain and organic edemas in the healing phase, like for bone pain which happens through bone skin swelling. In difficult cases, patients should take little fluid, keep their heads up and avoid direct sunlight. In the case of a side edema, one should not lie on that side.

On the organic level, what doctors saw as a tumor was always cut out, whether in the conflict active phase or in the healing phase. On this level we now have a new perspective for the future. If the conflict has been solved, it will become an exception rather than the rule to operate or radiate and then only if the growth bothers the patient mechanically, for example, with a big kidney cyst or a big spleen enlargement which has developed after a spleen necrosis in the healing phase. (The spleen necrosis was the organic substratum of a bleeding and injury conflict with reduced thrombocytes in the conflict active phase.)

This means we have to shuffle the cards again. With our knowledge of the New Medicine we have to consider: what must still be done, what is meaningful and what should not be done any more? If a patient today has the choice of whether he or she would like to have an intestinal tumor operated on, when the patient knows that the conflict has been solved and the tumor will more than likely never grow again, he or she will say, in 99.9 percent of the cases, "Doctor, if it doesn't irritate me in the next thirty or forty years, I'll take that chance; leave it where it is."

Q. 24 Dr. Hamer, could you explain why the IRC is called an 'Iron' Law?

A. It is called 'iron' because it is a biological law. The fact that a child must always have a father and a mother is an example of a biological law; there must always be two participants to bring about a child. In the New Medicine there are five biological laws:

1. the IRC (Iron Rule of Cancer)

2. the two phases of all diseases

3. the ontogenetic system of tumors and cancer-equivalent diseases

4. the ontogenetic-dependent system of microbes

5. understanding every so-called disease which follows the law (understood ontogenetically and phylogenetically) of a unique program in nature and is at the same time full of significance.

All these laws are as iron as the iron rule of cancer and can, in the strongest scientific sense, be verified in the next-best case. Biological laws have rules and the importance here is what the psyche programs. When a conflict is solved, a certain program becomes activated and the therapy follows automatically; but if a patient is unable to resolve the conflict, according to these biological laws, the program will not proceed and the individual will die. This strict law is the reason it is called "The Iron Rule of Cancer".

Q. 25 Dr. Hamer, what is the time factor that can be expected, especially with regard to the complications that can be expected in the healing phase?

A. The patient will naturally ask the doctor how long it will take for his/her disease to heal. If one works carefully and finds the DHS as well as the time the conflict got solved, then it is possible to calculate how long the conflict lasted. With a good anamnesis, one can also find out how strong the intensity of the conflict content was. From this duration time and the intensity, it is possible to estimate the conflict mass.

Ninety percent of patients usually have no complications in the healing phase. The other ten percent who had a conflict which lasted a long time and was of a strong intensity will have a big conflict mass which will only develop after the conflict is resolved. These complications come in the form of an edema in the brain and especially in the form of an epileptic or epileptoid crisis within the healing phase. One has to know these complications as they can sometimes lead to death. However, we can save those lives by preparing ourselves to counteract some of the complications during the healing phase with medication, especially cortisone.