Interview with Al Bielek 1991
Al Bielek, noted lecturer on the famous "Philadelphia Experiment" and the time travel/mind control experiments of the "Montauk Project," recently spoke with The Scribe interview team in Yelm.
Bielek gave an update on the current use of mind control and psychic warfare, and also offered a more detailed account of his experience in the Montauk Project. Montauk, also known as the Phoenix Project, used Bielek and his brother Duncan Cameron, to explore the underground cities of Mars.
SS: Sovereign Scribe - AB: Al Bielek
SS: Regarding your experience on Mars you walked through the time tunnel, you take a step and you're on Mars: What did you see?
AB: Well I was not on the surface of Mars. We were in the underground. The story goes back to the Alternative 3 book, the TV production in England outlining the fact that we have Mars bases, one or more, Provided by a joint operation with the US. government. I do not know if the Russians are in on it - and aliens. They are on the surface bases. It's a World Government operation really, that's not strictly the United States government.
After they were on the surface which was about 1969, they found that there where entrances to the underground sealed and they knew there was something down there. The rumors were that there was probably artifacts from an ancient civilization buried underground because there were a lot of remains above ground, ruined cities that have been there by NASA's estimates maybe 300,000 years, 250,000 years. But they found the entrances all blocked, all scaled off to any underground areas. So the word went back through communications (in the late 70's) to whomever back to the Montauk and Phoenix project, "Can you do anything about this for us? We can't get into the underground of Mars." They said, "Yes, I think we can. Give us some coordinates on the surface of the planet. We'll have to run astronomical computation." Which they did and plugged these all into the computer. They wanted two people to go and it happened to be Duncan and myself.
SS: Why two?
AB: To corroborate what the other one saw and also in case there was any problems in the underground. They didn't really know what was down there.
So they sent us and we went up there in the underground. [Using the Montauk Time-Space "Tunnel" device, developed as a result of the Philadelphia Experiment. (See Scribe issues 9,13 and 14.)] There was a problem with light. We had to take lighting with us at the time. Lateron, if I remember, we found some of their light sources and turned those on. We found eventually that the last remnants of the Martians, if you wish to call them that, died in the underground between 10 and 20,000 years ago by estimate, and they left everything they had of their civilization underground. We found enormous amounts of statuary which appeared to be religious.
SS: What did they look like? How big were they?
AB: Typically 6,7,8 foot tall, stone, gems embedded in them and so forth.
SS. These were of human-like people?
AB: Yes. They were quite well preserved. Then we found archives. We found a lot of scientific equipment. We found electronic equipment down there; tons and tons of stuff. And the rumor was also later that ... I didn't recall until Duncan reminded me of it about a week ago. he said, "Don't forget the 17,000 metric tons of Martian gold they took out. According to his recollection of it, it was very strange gold. It was 5 times denser than ours. It was worth an unbelievable fortune. Where it went we have no idea, but it was returned to Montauk and from there it went somewhere. There were several authorized trips. And Duncan and I got the bright idea since everything was in the computer let's take a trip or two on our own and do our own exploring. So we did. After the second one it was found out and we were stopped. That was when he got into the archives and found enormous records of the civilization which was buried down there.
SS: What did you find out?
AB: He as the one that read them. I couldn't read them.
SS. He didn't tell you?
AB: No. Well he did at the time but I can't remember any of it now. It's a very strange memory. On again, off again, and that part of it was never made clear to me as to what he really found. Right after that we were removed.
But I do remember some of the other installations we saw down there. They had very odd, large generators of some type. If you did not see it, I recommend that you go see the movie Total Recall. In fact it was seeing that movie that reminded me of the fact that I had been there. Not the colonies but the shots of the underground where they showed these large, round canisters where the director said these were probably for oxygen generation. I'm not quite sure but we think so. I looked at them and said, "They're not round. They're hexagonal." And I asked myself, "how the hell did I know that?" So that was our view of Mars from the underground. We didn't see hardly a thing of it from the surface.
SS: Did you see ice under the surface like in Total Recall?
All: Ice? No.
SS: If I remember the Movie, that's what they melted a lot of ice to create the atmosphere.
AB: It was not ice under there. There were oxygen generators and they also had some storage. There was a generating system which apparently the ancients had left. I don't really know much about it. but it was activated before they moved the surface colonies in. They also melted down the polar caps. The rumors are that they used a hydrogen bomb or two for that. I don't know if that's true. But they did melt down a lot of the polar ice so they would have some water. It's still sparse but they have it. The atmosphere is thin but they have atmosphere. And the temperature is warm enough. In the equatorial region they have no problem surviving. It runs about 50o and of course the astronomers have known this for about 50 years or more. It's quite liveable in terms of temperature.
SS: The lighting that you mentioned. What was that like?
AB: Unknown form of illumination, after we found out how to turn it on. Some of the power generators are still working. After we turned on the underground lighting we had no lack of light. Otherwise we had to carry our own and portable lighting was not all that effective because we were dealing with larger underground chambers, several hundred feet across high ceiling and portable lights are not very good for a large chamber like that. Eventually we found where they had their own lighting. It was very bright.
SS: Have you any information on the face on Mars?
AB: Not that I remember in the underground. There's more than one face on Mars, by the way. They found several. But I remember the NASA announcements some years ago, about 2 years ago that they're receiving a low frequency radio transmission from Mars. It was about 50 kilohertz, if I remember correctly. Quite a low level indicating the equipment or whatever it was that was generating the RF signal, and it was coded, was quite old and probably nearly worn out, so they were amazed there was anything still coming out of it but it was enough of a signal that they could pick it up and put it through the computer and transcribe it. It was a warning. A warning message to humans not to repeat the mistakes they made.
SS: Do you have any feelings about being on Mars? What were your general impressions?
AB: We were digging in there remains of an old civilization that preceded ours and it felt very peculiar. To look at what was left at what was once a great civilization and realize that they literally died there and left everything behind and that eventually the thing shutdown. It was in the underground deliberately apparently was survival because the circle cities had long since been destroyed and they lived down there and stayed there.
From what I understand of it, a number of the Martians survived whatever the attack was on the surface eventually took off for Earth and others decided to stay behind on Mars in the underground. And quite literally their progeny eventually died out and the whole race that was left behind on Mars died out. It's rather a strange feeling to realize that the remnants of a race died out in the underground totally. They just left all their hardware behind.
SS: In Rod Steiger's book he spoke of March 18th, 1990, as being important dates in the history of the PSI-Corps. That's during those dates their equipment was zapped and all the psychics resigned March 20th. Could you explain all this?
AB: Well, basically what had happened was a very strange story. In January 1990 Psi-Corps received some new hardware because NSA has been working on this for years; psionic-type hardware that boosts the mind and its capabilities of people who already have a great deal of capability it becomes quite formidable.
They found themselves, after that infusion of new equipment, after learning how to use it, with the capability of locating a picture buried in someone's files anywhere or tracking a missing file or missing information that they had instructions to recover or locate. They didn't do the recovery they merely located it. And how we found out about this was a very interesting story.
Back in November of 1989, Duncan had told me, he said that I would have the proof of the Philadelphia Experiment in my hands during March of 1990. Well it seems like during that weekend, that particular Sunday, preceding the walk out, I was in Phoenix. I was out for lunch that Sunday and a phone message was waiting for me that Preston had called and he was in a panic. When I finally got him on the phone it was already too late. But he told me that a person had visited him.
You see his father had been a senior scientist in the Navy working on the Philadelphia project. And that before the scientist died he told his son what had happened; that he had certain files and that he was turning them over to his son but he advised his son not to ever tell anyone about it. So this guy, unidentified to me never fold anyone about what he had.
One week prior to the visitation with Preston he gets a knock on his door. Government agents. "We want to search your house." "Well what for?" "Get out of our way." And they start tearing his house apart. He knew what they were looking for. He didn't have it there, but he said, "I don't know what you're looking for." And they didn't find it. It took several days. And he shook them. And he went and got his stash of files which contained two roles of film of Rainbow 3 and Rainbow 4 which were the two Eldridge tests plus a stack of papers, still highly classified, apparently, from what Preston said, because they wound up in Preston's hands.
So he started calling his friends to see who could take cafe of this and take it off of his hands because the government agents were right behind him about two hours right behind him trailing him. None of his friends would touch it, those that he got through to. And he finally got to the end of a long list of people and Preston Nichols was at the bottom of the list. He called Preston and he was home. He said, "I'm coming over to give you something." "Well what's this all about?" "I'll be there at such and such a time."
He goes over and hands him the file and the film and tells him the story about his father and the government agents and so forth. Preston says, "Well what am I going to do with it?" He says, "I don't know. It's your problem now. The government agents are about two hours behind me." He takes Preston out and shows him his car with bullet holes in the door and he says, "I'm getting out of here." And he left.
Preston in a panic tried to get a hold of anybody he knew that day, including myself, I was not reachable. Duncan, previous in that morning, got wind of something, due to his psychic sensitivity, something very heavy coming down. He took off from Preston's, went home, went into his bedroom, locked the door and crawled under the bedsheets until about 5:00 that afternoon. This is a fact. He panicked. He would not even answer the phone. He shut off his answering machine.
So this comes down. Preston can't get a hold of me. Finally when he did get through (I called him) he said, "Well I called up NSA and told them I had some very hot material here that I don't want." They asked " What is it?" And he told them. They said, "Well we don't want it." He says "I've got to get rid of this stuff it's black card clearance level: So he said, "Allright we'll send some F.B.I. agents to pick it up. So they eventually arrived and he turned it over the them after verifying that they were F.B.I. He got rid of the whole business. Then I called after that, and I still haven't forgiven him for it. But the interesting connection to get back to your question about the Psi-Corps, is that we finally put together the fact that with the new equipment they were able to identify a photograph if it's in somebody's file and apparently they have standing orders to find any information whatever dealing with the Philadelphia Experiment and make damn sure I didn't get it. And they spotted something and found out who this guy was and they sent out the government agents and this whole story ensued about this man who's father was the senior scientist. And we don't know what happened to it. We never saw it again.
In any case, the next day, from information I had, there was a big rumble in the Psi-Corps, and they were warned by somebody on the outside who was a little friendly to us to get the blazes out of there, that all of your installations are going to be melted down, literally. And they were warned to get out. All of them walked out except ten who were brand new recruits who had been told to defend the machines with their lives and they did literally. They died, the rest walked out, out of the government's service and disappeared. There was a panic meeting with the President...
SS: Who melted the equipment down?
AB: Alien there's none ... let us put it this way - extra terrestrials.
SS Do you know who they are?
AB: Yes, but I will not say.
SS. Are these the same ET's that Preston said melted down the buzzsaw antenna at McArthur airport around the Thanksgiving weekend last year?
AB: Yes, basically. And they took care of four sites in the US. one at Fort Meade and there were three other locations. I believe one was Atlanta and another in the New Orleans area and one somewhere in the West. Everyone of them walked out and disappeared. The locations were melted down. The President had a panic, practically apoplexy, tried to call back the old director who was in retirement. He said it was an emergency, we need to talk with you. So he came down to talk with them. I'll only give this man's first name - it's Emil. He was already 90 in age. And they told him the problem. He said, "I'll look at it but I won't give you my answer for about 3 days. I'll tell you then whether or not I'll come back and reorganize this, whole operation for you."
In the meantime they contacted NASA to try to get NASA to give up their psychic agents, not Psi-Corps, who are trained for a different mission and are not trained in pairs but individually. NASA told them to go shave it and got away with it. They said, "We're not trained to do the work you're doing. You can't have our people. "So finally on that following Friday, Emil came back to the President and said, "My answer is no. There's no way I'll come back and do anything for you. You're in deep trouble as it is and you're going to be in a lot deeper trouble in about 30 days." And he packed up and left. And I presume that that was the last we've seen of him at least in those quarters.
But the Psi-Corps remained dissolved until ... they tried to recruit new people and they did pick up a few but nothing like what they had before because it takes 4 years now to train them, it used to be 5.
SS. So they're building it is back up again.
AB: They've been trying to build it back up. Then before the beginning of the so-called Mid-East War with Iraq, they made a deal as part of the situation building up to the declaration of war wherein we got all of the backing from British European nations with the exception of Germany, they went to them as part of the deal and asked the British and French and Russian Governments, who all had their own Psi-Corps, if they would loan again numbers to the U.S. Government for their operations. And they did. They got transfers and built up the whole organization to the original strength overnight.
Now they had a little bit of a shock because the new group tried to bring somebody back into their group to run the operation, Emil, and from what I understand, he was spirited out from right out of the midst of them, again by E.T.'s, and they were told this could never happen under any circumstances, that they were ultra-secure in their facilities. That shook them up. They all walked out. They are now at point zero.
SS. So they waked out a second time
AB: That's right. That's the information I have. And the government is left holding the bag once more. And as far as I'm concerned they Can continue to hold the bag - empty.
Psi-Corps organization is not vicious, they are not vicious people, they're very well trained, sensitives and psychics who have a mission. The basic mission has been, in more recent years, not the original one in the first 5-10 years, where they were used for assassination. But they finally drew the line on this when NSA was formed and they became part of NSA in 1949-50 because their original genesis was in 1940 under Harry Bennett under the Roosevelt administration. But they said, "We will not do assassination any more because you have other organizations and intelligence groups that can do this much better than we can so we refuse to do it." But everything else they would still do and that was basically: psychic espionage in this country, outside this country and anywhere on this planet; obtaining information about anything that the government wanted to know that was not obtainable through the normal intelligence channels; or say too many agents got killed or something; let us say they wanted to look at the inside of some super secret Russian or Chinese installation or whatever it may be. The psychics could look inside of it and see what they want. They could read books off their desks, reports off a desk, filch them out of a file.
SS. They could dematerialize them?
AR: Yes they could. They could start a fire in a filing cabinet a couple thousand miles away if they wanted to do that or if were so instructed.
SS: They could plant disinformation also?
AB: Theoretically they could. They could transport small objects. They had their psycho-kinetic ability well trained. It was not that they could move large objects, they couldn't. But small objects like a piece of paper or a small package of paper like a report they could handle. They had a lot of capability.
They were also very heavily brainwashed and very heavily let us say, indoctrinated in the government's service and what they were to do and indoctrinated to the point that they totally accepted the protocols under which they operated. And this of course meant that they were loyal to the service, to the government. The only mores and ethics they knew was what the government told them they had and this was implanted. impregnated, conditioned into them to the point where there's hardly an change. I've only known of two people, I will not go into this in detail, who decided to walk out and succeeded in doing so. But when they surfaced it started the largest manhunt in the history of this country to find those two and bring them back into the government's service.
Preston saw the police reports, the F.B.I. file reports because the police can came into one of the swap meets, drove right up the aisles where there's not supposed to be any car, virtually pushed people out of the way, stopped right at Preston's exhibit and said, "You're friends with ____________." Preston says "What are you talking about?" "You know what we mean." And Preston looked down on the police car's front seat and there was the F.B.I. dossier and the picture of the individual and the names of both of them they wanted, and if any information is obtained about the whereabouts of these two, I'll not give the names, report immediately to the F.B.I. office in Philadelphia, Pa. They never did catch them. They were much too smart. They knew what they were doing.
They also stole a few pieces of government hardware in the process including ... I might as well say it... the government has alternate reality generators, the portable type a person could carry in a small suitcase and they can ship themselves and that suitcase with them into an alternate reality and they cannot be traced. They cannot be found.
SS: Kind of park themselves in another...
AB: Park themselves in another universe, so to speak, parallel to our own, very similar to ours as I've gone into in my lectures, the parallel reality thing. The government has the hardware for this, portable. They've had it for years. I don't know how long. And they had it and used it to keep out of sight and they would every so often look in on what was going on and find out the police were there and they'd say, "Well, they can stay there, we'll stay here. "The final outcome was these two people whom I knew from years before under circumstances I won't go into or it might identify them, eventually hitched a ride off planet and took a shuttle. There are shuttles regularly from this planet to Alpha Centauri 4 which by agreement is a safe haven for people wanted by the U.S. Government. There's a treaty. It takes about 12 hours to get them. Apparently they took all of their family which meant sisters, brothers, father, mother, whatever, with them. As far as I know they're still there.
SS: Who runs the shuttle?
AB: Presumably the Alpha Centauri Government, but I don't know. But it's on a regular basis twice a week. The landing point I have no idea where it is. Of course they guard it secret.
SS: What is their body form like?
AR: Alpha Centauri? Like humans, exactly the same. There's a much lower population on their planet. They're not overpopulated. They're an advanced civilization, a little ahead of us - not a great deal, but somewhat ahead of us. They don't like things like government headbashing and that sort of thing and they way they treat some of the government agents they no longer have any use for or whatever, if they are approached, and I don't know how it's done, if they are approached and asked for asylum, if they issue the card, you just get on the shuttle and that's it, you're there. Beyond that I don't know. I haven't seen them since.
That's a very interesting little side issue and our government doesn't like it particularly but there is sonic kind of a treaty and they honor it. Apparently there is that type of treaty with other governments elsewhere, and I gather it is all Earth governments or includes outside governments I'm not sure. I have the feeling it includes outside governments too. There's regular communication, I don't know if Preston went into this about the Super Luminary Communication Systems that were developed by ITT in the 1960's. It's another one of those little developments that come out of all of this business evolving from the Philadelphia Experiment and the spin-offs from that and research done by ITT because they were involved in the background of that program to some extent. They were very involved and were the principle contractor for the Phoenix Project, but they also had a lot of other little games also. One of them was building a whole new communication system. This was research based on higher order energies and the effects and the propagation rates and studied all this and found out. "This is all very interesting. With a sixth order energy we can develop a communication system with a propagation rate C6, that's C to the 6th power. They now have one C8, C to the 8th power.
SS: C being the speed of light?
AB: C is the speed of light, to the 8th power. That's so fast they can literally communicate clear across our galaxy with nothing more than a phase shifter. There is essentially no delay. With the C' system there was a delay so they went to the 8th. 50,000 light-years across our galaxy and they can do it in a fraction of a second.
So Einstein was wrong in one sense. Nothing can go faster than the speed of light? It can. It's long since been done. It was probably done long since he made the statement. Einstein did relent of some of his statements in earlier years before he died but it was not publicly stated that he had.
SS: Speaking of aliens and technology, do you know which aliens Tesla talked to? to?
AB: The Pleiadians basically that was one of his principle communication groups. Also a group called the K group. K stands for Kondrashkin. That's the best literal translation of English. They were sort of light green skinned humanoid like with no hair. If you put them up in the right garb and bleached their skin and put an old fashioned wig on them they'd pass very readily for an Englishman. Not that I'm trying to cast any kind of aspersions on English people but they most readily pass for English. And the dye or powder or whatever they put on their skin didn't last more than two weeks. Then there were 2 others and I don't know who they were. When you start calling out into space you don't know who is going to answer. And they did. Tesla knew 11 or 12 languages and I presume these people communicated back in English but I don't know that for certain. I wasn't there I only heard the stories from 2 other researchers who had worked with him before he died. I'm told of the equipment and the fact that he did communicate on an almost daily basis with somebody from the outside.
SS: You mentioned Reichian Programming in your lectures. How would one know if one was hit by it?
AB: You wouldn't after it was over. They pulled this system on Duncan once for certain maybe more than once and we have a friend back east who worked in a hospital who's seen the equipment, know what it does and what it's capable of. Preston's checked into the records and found that this particular type of advanced technology, electroshock therapy equipment is what they officially call it. It's now very advanced computerized with floppy disks and very small electrodes instead of the old big patch pads they used to put on people and tape the down. They now have tiny little probes 50 millimeters square and they attach them to certain critical sensitive points on the body, about 8 of them. And there's a computer program they now use which will induce the Reichian orgiastic state by electronics and hold it to that state and in that condition a human mind from conscious to subconscious is completely aligned and opened.
Consequently you can remove buried information in the subconscious, reprogram the person, do whatever you want in that sense. And when the program is over they close it down, restore the person to the so-called normal state with either blocks on memory of the whole thing happening or a whole total implant of what went on that day as a substitute to memory or whatever they want to do. They usually put in a substitute memory. It's happened to Duncan once. We had quite a time running that down but we did.
They can do this to anyone they want. They grab them physically and take them off to one of the hospitals. The law is that any hospital or institution in the U.S. that accepts federal funding must by law have one of these machines on their premises and there must be certain personnel, very limited, trained in its use. Now it can be used for "nominal" electroshock therapy in the normal mode which doctors use, thought it's much more sophisticated now and less damaging. Or they can use it for reprogramming, the same piece of equipment. But to do the reprogramming requires a special floppy disk, which is kept under lock and key and can only be used by certain government personnel.
When they do this number of the reprogramming it's done by government personnel. It is not normally shown [in] their records and there is never a charge made back to a hospital organization or to a hospitalization fund or medical fund of any kind, that is paid for 100% by the federal government and the record's swept under the rug. They put it once on Duncan and they tried to do it again.
SS: They physically snatched him?
AB: Oh yes. We had quite a time tracking this down that one Sunday. But they did do that. It's based on Reich's principle, his old theories. The original programming techniques were more physical, but now they can do it electronically. It's much clearer, so to speak, much easier to accomplish and much easier to cover the tracks. And the law says these instruments, pieces of equipment, shall be made available to non-federally funded institutions. They recommend that they have them but there's no requirement.
SS: Before going on, how do you feel about all this? Do you want to get revenge on these guys?
Where do you stand personally on this?
AB: I would love to get back at some of ... Well, where do I stand? Number one I feel it's long since time that the public knows the facts about how their government has lied to them practically about everything from politics to science to cover-up of secret projects and the abductions of People by the government, I'm not talking about aliens, by the government for reprogramming - plugging them into special projects against their will. Then when they're done with them they either return them to normal life or deep sexing them in many cases.
SS: You sound angry. Are you?
AB: Oh yeah. I'm very angry about it because they wrecked my life, they wrecked Duncan's life, they wrecked the lives of a number of other people who I knew who were on that project, the original Philadelphia Project. They didn't wreck so many lives from the Phoenix Project in terms of breaking family relations and all this sort of thing. But they did eliminate a number of people who were involved in the Phoenix Project. They were literally killed, some accidentally, some deliberate and otherwise reprogrammed and shipped off the God knows where. And a lot of them were shipped off to another time frame so they never were returned to their original point of origin and live their life out wherever they are, under what conditions who knows.
The massive redistribution, if you want to put it that way, of people, reprogramming them is something which is totally alien to our Constitution and our concepts, not only our religious concepts of freedom, hut our political concepts of freedom as we have known it under the Constitution for almost 200 years. The Constitution has existed longer but I say almost 200 years because these government programs have come into play since about 1947 and they get worse every year and they're not restricted to the U.S. But the U.S. seems to be the most vicious in it, by far the most vicious. The suppression of men and the control of the men media is by far the worst in the U,S. It's much worse than in Russia. There's more freedom to speak in Russia than there is in this country. I'm speaking of the last year or two not prior.
Interview provided courtesy of QUANTUM COMMUNICATIONS.
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