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on the topic of: Finnish Anti-Gravity Research
From: Steinn Sigurdsson
Barry Merriman
> According to the attached newspaper article, this research that
> According to Dr Eugene Podkletnov, who led the research, the discovery
This report would appear to be a followup on
Such effects very rarely survive further scrutiny
From: Barry Merriman
Barry Merriman wrote:
Well, with a little searching
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1) The paper is called gravitational sielding properties of composite
2) The authors cite a previous experimental claim of the same effect in
3) An attempt at theoretical explanation of the original work comes from
From: ph1rb@mirv.comms.unsw.EDU.AU (Dr Robert J. Bursill)
Barry Merriman (barry@math.ucla.edu) wrote:
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: BREAKTHROUGH AS SCIENTISTS BEAT GRAVITY.
: SCIENTISTS in Finland are about to reveal details of the world's first
: team can increase the effect substantially, the commercial implications
For a theoretical account, see the papers of Modanese from the Max
Cheers,
Robert Bursill
From: Martin Visser
Have a squiz at http://www.padrak.com/ine/RS_REF2.html for more info.
From: pastymage@aol.com (PastyMage)
Dr Robert J. Bursill (ph1rb@mirv.comms.unsw.EDU.AU) wrote:
:For a theoretical account, see the papers of Modanese from the Max
Well, you only need greater than 100% if you want to use *solely* such a
-Dave
From: Brian Douglas Koberlein
:in J Phys C by these Finish authors on precisely this effect - which
The use of the device as a propulsion system depends on the method of
Brian
[Moderator's note: Unless people have further information about the
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Subject: Re: Preprints of Finnish Anti-Gravity Research?
Date: 3 Sep 1996 15:46:06 GMT
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> appears to identify a small anti-gravity effect has
> already been accepted for publication in Physics-D.
> Can anyone locate a preprint? Or does anyone have any
> reports on the work of the Nasa-funded scientists mentiond?
> was accidental. It emerged during routine work on so-called
> "superconductivity", the ability of some materials to lose their
work reported in Physica C, v 203 p 441-444, 1992,
Podkletnov and Nieminen authors.
and I would be very surprised if it is found to
be "anti-gravity" in any real sense of the word.
The initial report claimed up to 0.3% reduction in weight
of non-conductors/non-magnetic samples suspended above
a HTSc disk, there are a number of possible confounding
effects and sources of error.
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Subject: Re: Preprints of Finnish Anti-Gravity Research?
Date: 3 Sep 1996 15:55:09 GMT
Organization: UCLA Dept. of Mathematics
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> According to the attached newspaper article, this research that
> appears to identify a small anti-gravity effect has
> already been accepted for publication in Physics-D.
> Can anyone locate a preprint? Or does anyone have any
> reports on the work of the Nasa-funded scientists mentiond?
>
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> Article in Sunday Telegraph (UK), September 1 1996, page 3.
>
> BREAKTHROUGH AS SCIENTISTS BEAT GRAVITY.
> by Robert Matthews and Ian Sample
>
I have answered my own question. Here is additional information
from one of the authors of the above news story (thanks to
Chris Tinsley for locating this); the forthcoming journal
article and some already published background work are cited below.
As one of the journalists involved in the antigravity story (the other,
Ian SAMple being at the IoPhys), I thought I should give a little more
info about the article. I've read the proofs of the paper, checked out
the claims with a number of theorists (including Li at U/Alabama) and
others familiar with the research, and my overall conclusion is to put
the story somewhere above cold fusion in credibility, but below
room-temperature superconductivity. It's going to be difficult to say
more before replication (if any) by others (Li is working on an
experiment, I gather), so in the meantime I can only supply the
following refs for those interested
bulk YBa2Cu307-x superconductor below 70K under an electromagnetic
field, by E E Podkletnov and P T Vuorinen. J Phys D (Appl Phys) vol 29
pp 1 -5 1996.
the refereed literature: E E Podkletnov and Nieminen, R in Physica C vol
203 441 (1992) (the new paper fills in experimental loopholes).
G Modanese, on Ginsparg's database http://xxx.lanl.gov hep-th/9505094.
Preprint now accepted by Europhys Lett. It's essentially quantum gravity
theory, very esoteric and to my mind rather unconvincing. Li is
exploring the concept of high-angular momentum ions in the Hi-Tc
s/conductors creating an intense gravito-magnetic effect many orders of
magnitude higher than that expected to be generated by general
relativity (and now being looked for in, e.g. the Stanford Gravity
Probe-B satellite). I've not seen her theory, so I have no comment to
make.
That's it for now - glad the piece generated some interest among the
Sci/Math folks !
Robert Matthews
Science Correspondent, The Sunday Telegraph, London.
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Barry Merriman
Research Scientist, UCSD Fusion Energy Research Program
Asst. Prof., UCLA Dept. of Math
Internet email: barry@math.ucla.edu
web homepage: http://www.math.ucla.edu/~barry
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Subject: Re: Preprints of Finnish Anti-Gravity Research?
Date: 3 Sep 1996 16:03:24 GMT
Organization: University of New South Wales
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: According to the attached newspaper article, this research that
: appears to identify a small anti-gravity effect has
: already been accepted for publication in Physics-D.
: Can anyone locate a preprint? Or does anyone have any
: reports on the work of the Nasa-funded scientists mentiond?
: Article in Sunday Telegraph (UK), September 1 1996, page 3.
: by Robert Matthews and Ian Sample
: are enormous.
Plank Institute (in PRD). They include references to a paper published in 1992
in J Phys C by these Finish authors on precisely this effect - which
has been around for some time. I imagine the J Phys D paper will be
an update on higher weight losses. Note that 2% is a long way from
100% which is at least what you need for propulsion.
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Subject: Re: Preprints of Finnish Anti-Gravity Research?
Date: 3 Sep 1996 16:03:55 GMT
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Subject: Re: Preprints of Finnish Anti-Gravity Research
Date: 4 Sep 1996 14:20:10 GMT
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:Plank Institute (in PRD). They include references to a paper published in
1992
:in J Phys C by these Finish authors on precisely this effect - which
:has been around for some time. I imagine the J Phys D paper will be
:an update on higher weight losses. Note that 2% is a long way from
:100% which is at least what you need for propulsion.
device for propulsion. Were it to be combined with conventional rockets,
they would require not only far less fuel, but less *expensive* fuels as
well.
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Subject: Re: Preprints of Finnish Anti-Gravity Research
Date: 5 Sep 1996 14:17:08 GMT
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:has been around for some time. I imagine the J Phys D paper will be
:an update on higher weight losses. Note that 2% is a long way from
:100% which is at least what you need for propulsion.
weight reduction. If the device simply shields the gravitional field
(is a graviton absorber, if you will), then the only thing it would be
useful for is weight reduction (Call Jenny Craig?). If, the device is
an anti-gravity producer, then any percentage would be a useful
propulsion device, if only for "deep space". Also, if the device
reduces weight, does it also reduce the object's inertia? That is a
test I would DEFINITELY want to learn the results of.
actual results of the experiment in question (as opposed to
speculation about what the implications would be if the experiment is
correct), I think it's time to put and end to this thread. -TB]